O 0. r\3 C Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 _ _~ 8ient: I~erist Tobaceo Jab Ne: zo3-esQ Grolm: I - Failed Quitters Date: Hay 28, 1985 8:00 p,nl, bderator: a. W, kosjv Y: tees start by i~:~~~ct:ng ourselves, tell me your first name, whether you are matried or stJF!e, what you do for a airing, that kind of stuff. Can we Start wit~ you! a: Okay, ~ nlupe is .v~ci, I'm an unsuceesslua Y~iCiM for now I'm a p:ep cook, single. a: $ name is David, i"",marrrid, I'm in lo~are deoe!opment, a: ~ naaa is Jerome,;'n single, I'm a laet31 worker. R: Ed, I'n a high sc5oo! student, r dropped out for a few years and now I'm back, a: Jerry, f'm pursuing a n~P~sic career, right now I work in a faeto$. a: I'm Bob, single, ~Jo kids, presently Me~q~loyed. R: P~beb, and I work on ships, on the lakes and I'a single. a: lan, single, c~sttur~ion worker, M: Okay fine.I guess i: doesn't come to a surprise to you that I want to talk ~ about smoking, those are the pJ~stions we asked wt front, In a moment O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 I· ~_ M: I would like to 90 a7~~nd the room again and if you could tell me a bit about your past history MB smoking, the age you started It, if you rsoall de brands you started with, where you went to l~m there, what hrads are you smoking at the moment, that kind of thing. CM we stk~ with you ran? R: T've been smoking since I was U years old, first cigarettes were EX3or: A. H: What are you smoking nowl R: hFamiar, M: Okay fine, what about you i~okrtl R: I started smoking about t~e same age, aSout 12, the old Sack alley sneaking cigarettes, I ~uite for a couole of years and r ~:k7eC uo again smoking tla~ Irenc~ eigk·ettes, r,aJ r slaeke hb8der. H: Okay, what about yet: Hic~~ 8: I started when r was 14 f guess r smoking ~~aycn filter, and now I smoke wiss tons, Okay, Ed? 1: i started when f was I, the first one I smoked was Beivedere, now I'm rsking DuMaurier, hi Okay, Ib3bl R: r started when r was 11 or U! say 12, r started smoking kport A Md now I'P smoking MaeDonalCs Menthol. L Okay, Oavid3 R: I didn't start smoking Imtfl r Ms 19, f think I ~c~rted smoking Player's, O then I smoke Selvedere and now it 15 E~ob X wild. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 M: Okay, Jerry! a: Yeah, I ~ta~cd smoking when f was 12 or 13 years old, I started smoking D~a~ier, Yen r switched to player's light, nov r smoke Emor.lrLc~a:. .Y: okay, Bob! R: r s~d smoking E~o~ A and I've been smoking It for 14 years now, I started it 14 and f just oould:'t C~Mge, n: You'a the first person I've spoken to who has smoked just one brand, R: Yeah, fifteen years new, I: Rave you ever been te~te8 to try another brand R: yeah 1 tried tie ixp02 A MeCiu and Light, I liked the blue package so i t~ougjt r would try t~en, but I: went beek to the regular, It why Id you 90 baok to ~e reSctar~ R: Well, I sta.".ed kause down hp~ people smoke ax3er, A, everyone smokes E~mart A so you buss a efgarat:e from your sister or your older hoYlet rd f enjoy the eiga:etta, r don't smoke as many as the did, Il You would smoke more of a lighter brand! R: Yeah, beeause I usually put it in the uh~q and it burns away, Yen I have to light another one right alter, R: That is how t~e? nu~ke them now, they d~~ntigcate on you, the light ones, RI Yeah they do, if you leave them for just a minute it is goat, I: how about you ot5a~ guys, p have all swftehed Im~md to different brands, p Itu~ad vit~ one br~nd and anbd up dth aneth~r brand? rO Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 _· ·_·I__I~ R· when I a:k~d smoking DuHauriar, r was smoking OIPautier with ~ friends and:smoked DtlMauriar all the time for some reason, then t chaned over to ?!~arls Light, then I smoked them for a while. M: Why did you do t~t? R: I don't bav, I wanted a change, maybe I would be mote satisfied wtr a different ~a of cia:ettc, Al what, a lighter oi5arette;, a: Yed:, a: After bat, bat wasn't too good, I started smoking Export A..~ M: So ~-.at is Bat you are back to? a: Yea~, like we say the? buzn away, you eM't really tell you are sme~4, L what about somebody e!sl~ R: r e~u~cd from EX30b A because I use Po get a lot of flem in the back of sy E~soat kl~ I didn't like that, Md the? use to be sc strong they got me dizz~, Md I got SE~PCt~in~ a bit lighter, my mom smokes eramn A so I bought r would go tot Du~yauriar, to be bavie~ · from my mcPns and I enjoyed bat oigarette very well, Ir Did you every try light Eiganttsnl A: Just when r took my mober's e~avon A, that is about it, nothing lighter ban bat, n: Okq, what about your A: well, E got into puraurier when 1 us in Europe, T was over there rot Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 a: a vacaion Ma r was t?ling to quite smoking and I ran into some bnadians and bought a whole F~cm of Pu~auticz, that was t~e if rat CMadiM cigarettes I had seen in about a year and a:llle so f bought them ad I enjoyed it so I just stuck with i:, M: Did you smoke other brands befan that! R: Yeah, like I say I ssked Jeatunes for a while, t~lat was my art period, ic: r smoked Belvebea for a lot of yeats and tlen one day a car was dsiQg down the sti~et painteC with a package of Expert A Mild, and the guy pulled up beside ma and asked if I smoked, I said yeah and handed a a ea~on of ExDort A Mird ad I've Seen smoking them since, H: This was an ad tom ~e company) a: Yeah, he had a whole car full, good marketing idea,Erom my paint anyway. it: Yeah, if someone handed me a carton of cigarettes r wouldn't complain. n: dave you ever tried ~ quit smokinql a: Yeah. R: Yeah. a: Many times, %: Tell a a little hit about that, why would you decide to puitl R: r usually I~t bm~Pd hot, just to gin a something to work to, to 90 towards, like I say I eu quit anytime, ad I usually last about a week. L 'Do you do this a 1 regular basis every yearl O R: Yeah, usually every yea' I try to quite ar~~nd tent or a Mew Yeat's resolution. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 I: why are you tr!ing O ;~sl R: I use to be pretty good in tracic and field and all kinds of sports, but I can't Nn 20 miles a day like ;used to, r was born with a heart problem and I just feel that if I cut i: down then ~aybe r can get back mi endurance to zm a little nora, last a li:tls longer on the basketball court. M; Do you feel F~e weighs off helps? R: yeah, X feel I breathe a lot easier, especially in the IpominFs, i don't wake q wheezing, lika:an had said with flem right, you cought up the nea in the morning, R: r quit for r0 monYs o:.e Cci38 ~1~ Yat is because r had a bet with ttis e?t and I was still ~~F for a cigarette after 10 mcnths and I've never stopped since Yen, H: Were you serious abou:;dttisg! pi yeah, r: figured 10 mcn'::s is I~ sonths and no one is going to turn back now, but I J~ll ca~et it cve~ time i had a beer, people blc~fn~ sake aro~d rl face and eve~~ing else, I figured i had to have one, so this 9u~ moved back to EnF!EC and as soon as he went back I started again, N: Was it a substantial bet, was IC. worth a lot of money to you) R: Oh yeah, a couole of tmdred bucks, hi Ihat was good enough? 1: yeah, good enough to make me stop, Ri I tried to stop once, a few times as a matter Of fact, but everybodl T'n arom~dl they smoke, you go to places and they smoke, drinking beer, it is just like a beer and a cigarette go together, 6 Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 MI Do paP ri in I hat? P: to, I ve~e~ fIaory. nl III lot~, fOP tlfd PP wrCI.~ B: lot t(3 T1P atouna pqh in I hit, it it :atlly sllokey in aaP ad it it kind of hd torloa to tg ad Fdt, I ~wa~' at to sa~s to b$. II L tot tuggIrting that it tort of aktt it a little topC whon you ~ hnvincI ~nl. a: Tlb, tapo wit4 ooffsc, you drink 1 cl, !oo tit down to I eotill in ~I ~nic; ad you wat I Eil~l#l Vi~ loe eoffll. a: i h# Sit 11 I Ct 1 ad I don't La~ F!~~la, r cc' t havI u ootfla, a: Ic~, it it P~t likeI t=ldition. PI Ilb, ~*~me hat I cofflI in thI ~~L51 I ~iill ad 1 eiq~~, ~~ it hr r hcl. P: I h': do nothing ~1 I tooks n e!alt:l, I at out Oi hid md go tight to ~ ei(juattlt, r: ~a, I~bo~ oltI, why did you tty to Fdt7 II It iJ C~O PtIttY ~P~i·l tho pdcl se da tho lItcst ~I( it ~ot 1 11,000.00 I yoat ad you :i~l It the ad of the tIr ii you ha ~1 51,000 this a~d hi a lot re ~t pt wwld at to do oia it, hut it it 11.50 I ~, it ~I n lag tipt to Idd no to 11,000, 2'~ pdt guitt t flr ~1, 0a ia b~ anthn, I lpnth bra, thtss ot font votkn hit I find tho fist o~L of rh it bmlt bblr a, it it ~~r I ~~ ~~t it sag ~~~ nIgging It a. O ClibPDF - v~~fastio.soni II Ihd hll:l ~nl PI P11, I s;cl~ enl f~ I~y ad r IponC r~~E oa, ad ~e I vdd ~~t to hlll with it, ed ~ ·o&E alok. f: In whd u~ do pr fool difflnnt L o ~nth, t~~t tha thc fiat eople of ullb, whlt is it that L 8ff~tentl e r b't ~o if pot lotc thl q to tpit, or if ~~tfll oat: the od~rt PP aliiY v·t 1 fi~nt~, L: fDP 1011 ~? ~iltlOPI it ~~P't III1 Ifh it ii ~~ $O~·t 11~3 1 anth o: to, ~( fi:I: ooupil of wooks lot ~ tl~llp $fPS ~~td ed lftlr ~~: yr kind of, you just po book to it, II 010P ~ir~ fbP blat it ~ ~1 fir5t COP11 of 1~17 PI No, I ~M ~I 1·~ you 11 thl horde: it iJl it is like h!~~~ll the loPps: yor ;s tL an you wat e drink. P: ~( ie9ol: I hA l*tld it five doyo. II 1l11 ~11 Bit rode 11 It to givo it ~ the hat while, pa~~b ta Vet to gi· it p for Dore ar fiYe deYol ~ Whot ·6 IOP Wt to gf~ it 81 h me few tf*r r tried to qait it 111 11411 hat f IC't f,cl like enokinll I 111 Jraking to the point vhda r lould sit Qvo ad light 1 I oiOuette ad t I~'t nd$ vat it, ad I l~d put it out. P ad r bLlLp Io9 ~~7 I don't lmoJ, a Itolp~eh Iclrtcd 0 0 if f nol(ed too d ad I tried ~~~9 a 1~~ rd thing f lolat, I'o liCt~g ~ aother opt, h~ 1 prk of oigenttee down ~~ I#r, I hai bor ieter t'l buying O ClibPDF - v~~fastio.soni a: MOthCt pack, it: You tend to feel healt~icr tlouFh because you eat more, I tend to eat a lot, I spend just as much eating as r would bqing one pack of cigarettesr f sPcndmore, I go by a submarine place and T'lrb~l ss~, k~Can hou= later 1'11 go by again and 5~ another one, you just haw to eat, you hen to do sometc,inq wiY you: hands, .Y: Ot~er people say that, they an more likely to eat mon if t:ag an not smoking, Das anyone else feel that way? a: oh, definetly, a: I think it is natural:o replace it with oormthing else. a: Especially at night when you are watching t,o., you are dying for Yat etFL.rtte so you get up and go to the ixidge, a: I tsr~er another tin when I cult, and f went back to work E?E eve.Yone is sitting k~und having a cigarette far 10 minutes, I figsn Yat over ayear that has to he iOO hours, sitting arouolddoing lo~ing so I go back to having a ci@nt~, a: r notice Yat when I'm working on shifts too, ePe,yone is taking a cigarette bnak and if you don't smoke you don't get that cigarette break, you have keep working, hi Is t~at an important nason to keep smoking! at No it irffl't an important nuon to guit smoking, it is j~t something I'oc noticed, a: . I have no finger nails, r sit there and chew my finger nails all Bay long O when I1I not BD1JkihS, O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ~I~ ·lo· R: i think you go through witldraval, I: do especially, I pt really :i:eC, I tlfnk a lot of pnssure builds up, no ~attrr what you are c~inklt5:tou are always thinking of a cigarette, especially the first week r find, Ye first week is the toughest, r.: dow long does it last, this wit~dtawal? R: X eolTL of weeks at lent and then after that it is psychological, ~a:o is;~lical withdrawal f~4 cigarettes, tL nicotine, f find it ~aT~ ~uFh~ R: (inauli5ls - everyone speaking) R: i'n ~ying to quit. I:was smoking MLw~ur~eP and I just started E~idnF t~ese ~Sd~t a month ago, I thought f would toruue myself Imtir r quit, cd~ou I's hooked on these ones. M: la: is why you went to the menthol is i:! ii: ?ep, I even tried cigars for a while, everything, I wbuld sE~ke about eight CiSk'5 in a day, it rests loss than a pack of efgaxcttss and I ended up smokinf cigar and cigarettes. R: ~ct costs even sore, R: Thcn is a friend of mine, and i: st goes wiYlout a cigarette, she gets Lad~d~v vi0knt, she starts tearing t~l place apart just ~cckinq in: a ci~a~et:o, r: What an ciganttes doing for her then? h rsyk she is nerpaus. R: Jeah, I think it nra~ces her, a: Ibat is the sspa wit a lot ef people, you know they lit dPm and have a S~ cigartte and it TelaXCI them, fU Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 · ·1!· M: So eigare:~s are relwing, what else about cigarettes and smoking! R; ~le it kind of lets you sit ~wn and get yourself together for a sceond or spmet~fng, n: aocs you Ua eppert~ity to t4~k! a: Yeah. a: fj~R? I SEit ssakinF for to months I took up smoking joints. a: T~at doesn't oolmtl ~ Ri r lenlt Pse! bat bad anyvay, 5~ I find myself getting nally tired and raty all ';:a tilpa so when t~at p~ left, I stap~aed Imakin5 joints and vent bac~ to cigarettes, it was a little hit chaqer anywa!ls, n: Did you spend all of your SZ00 on the j0intli~ a: well he didn't intend to cash that anyway, t D~g se vila: ate, if ~ol~g is blng sometlin~ for yen, obviourll, you s3ka fe: son reason, what ate t~e things yen are getting not of smakingl X: k~axing, a; fncer, R: S~sth~ng to do with your hands, a lot of people just like to walk with a cigarette, thal;bP't ~~VI S~Oke half the cigarette, they just walk with it in Bit hand and the rest of i: is alaest hurni~g their fingers before they a~izs they are just holding it. R: · I go#s it is nenns, probably nlra~s. 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P: r don't ~i~ ~onl n~l!J liklr to lake ft ii j·t ~~t ~ly la bPLC O it. nl IhIt ii ~E: it. h I h't a~4 1Ps to ~·b, I adh't hA pdd 82.80 for 1~1 p~llFa ~!~ L It 11 fn~r~r:f3g, ha nMy in ~e rwm don't int to I~hP b r dcn't, it ii j·t I h~t. b IIikI it, II I onjof it, h: only to I point, I ha it ~ h~~g a, but I think it in thI ~~~ & ~I~ drd d~ othIt tIsbI, like ulo ta~ ai ooffoo od Efp~n 80 ~~~r ~d thI tIEtl or hIt rd dp~~r~ IPokinq 1 ciFItatt( 4 1~~11 q not ko ~j~L, but if fa oako I eigllm ·d drink I ePill, it in ·a ·jqJb, it ii ~~~t likl you SIt hiC 0 ~1 ClibPDF - v~~fastio.soni -13- a: I was in Spain last'lear and I lived there for a while, Md the cigarettes you pt there, I tlizk by are made out of wood or something, and they call it black tobacco and r rearly get tuaCd off cigarettes for a while and I quit until I ran into the Canadians with the DuMrodcr cigarettes, but I had ~t for quite a while, about 10 montt~, the same as him and then when r ran i~te the Canadians... i: Was it the Spanish cigarettes tSat turned you offl a: yeah, and ney smoke fk* more than the Canadians, a: But brands like D~Lu~t~e:, I' was in Trinidad one time and they had DuNautier and it tasted different, you wouldn't )mow it was DuMaurier, R· Yeah, in juaioa the enm A's are rc~l~ terrible. M: what is terrible aSet thelal R· Tne taste or it I guess, at Ihey're mt BtoE~e~Y. a: You know Se fine ~ ,-:t tobacco,,. II: It is like smoking tickoty.. M: I find it interesting that You say things taste pood together, roffcc'an8 cigarettes, beer ad cigarettes. a: r'l go without a cigarette if r have to smoke a menthol. a: Eh too. R1 It is a torture test, R: MY lights that an around, I have to break off t~e top, a Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -U- 1: r'll pd tql ~ld tbI holII too. )I 1: Isl, vith gqab 1 Iou ~1 ooI i!ttiI b ad Iou got thI hll!nF. P: 1 da't ~1l it Il 1 atkr of ~~, T ~n~ it ii thI hd ~~ Iou I·h, IOP oa fill PPI 1·1I I~Ptl j fill Dlt II jltit ii. Il m~ II Whit IOP likt ~t it~ I: Iou Irh t~Dp dgt7 II Ttl, r: II ~Z thI Rlsm whv? b TIP. LI Uao IOP da't I~ · II. h I thi?j( Pall ~1 ii tho hit ~:i~ dg~~~ that ~g hn. I: HoW m~ ~ PP I~~11 P Ttl, I dp llbout liCt prh I wook. II Ld~p~e~l 4. I: II r I·b two p~ 1 4, r li· ~~a~ eip~l· L ~WLI ~ L 1~ wt if it ~ ~ lsJt oiqaxcttc, Iou er hIvI it, oItlsI rl r$ pBp to I~ ft myJalrl, Im f 4 IIothar pIek. ClibPDF - v~~fastio.soni ·15- 1: So talking about tass, some people think it is i~OTC.Mtr some people think it is a combination with other foods. we have also talked a bit about the relaxing part of smoking, keeping your girlfriend from being too did, There are obviously some Of the reasons, Ce benefi's that you sec for smoking. What happens to these sort of things when you de· cida to quit? Do you suddenly say you don't like the taste Mv;ore, or did you quit for some other reason? R: Coughing up t~at nicotine in the morning, R: yeah. a: i think if you did quit and say you sat down with a cigarette with your coffee all the time or a cigarette during this or that, then everytime you would be doing t~at you would be thinking wow, would I like a cigarette, it you are trying to quit or if you alna~ did, R: Yeah, it is going to tempt you again. R: You've got to break the routine. R: when you smoke a cigarette, if you are in a restaurant, and i haven't had a cigarette yet and soneone is smoking rod ma, I hate it, it really bugs me, I uan'tstandit, SfWCbdd~ puts theircigaret:e in the uh'rav and lets it smoulder. If i smoke i don't care about anyone elser but ii the morning especially, if sc~eone else is smoking and i haven't smoked yet, it really bugs me, it really gets me going. M: You like your own space! a (inaudSble- ~t~bLd) Mi i think what I'ID getting at is that you have made scem decisions along your smoking career to quit, smoking has some of these good things going ~ for it too, T'lp trying to get a feeling for why you decided to quitl Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·r6- a: Host people f think quit for health reasons, that ill the major t~inFI you think back and you're not quitting because they cost $2.00 a pack because when they go to 53.00 a pack you are going to 5uy them, i: is the health reasonsr Ipos: people with say they have been breathing f~Lmy lately, the elevator is broken and they have to jog up four floors, or you are walking and,..c~at is the major Cling, f believe. i: Yeah, try Md go and play hockey for an hour when you smoke. a: plat is like when someone has used Javex on the fleers, and you ~alZ through the room and t~l to light up a cigarette,,. a: yeah, you get that buzzing in your nose,.. 5; Yeah, the taste of Javex.. .H.: But what really is going through your mind for you to say, hey, I'm going to quit now! a: ; t~iaa to F~t once because mi girlfriend wanted ma to quit, so I b~ke 1l3 with my girl,rend, T:gdt fore week and then we broke up so, I gave her the b~h k?d so I decided to smoke again, I quit for her. RI I used to get these headaches, that is why i quit too, too much s-~kf~5 goes to your head, I don't Imw, a: Everytime I brush my tongue r tee like I want to be sick or ~ooe~inF, 1: think I don't need this no more, so I go about half a day or a eoqle of hours and then i have a cigarette. a: yeah, that is what I was going to say, that hangover making you sick. a; I think the cigarette causes the phlegm though that you bring upevery naming, beu~ul you Qnlt hase a cold as Mythiaq Imd still in 8 naming you've got to bring 9 this little bit of phlegm, it must be the nicotine, O it collects in your throat. N Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ~ -1F I: ~av!C, what was tie mel.'. reason you decided to quit the last time? L We!:, for me there is too reason, one being financial, the second king it is a 5ad influence on the ~c~raa kids, and I feel t~at if me end q wife didn't smoke.. R: Did you ?krenrs amokei~ R: ?eb~, R: 2a:'s curious, so diE;Jina, Bid everyone's parents smoke? R: ~ dad did. a: ?or~. a: Ea nany people do coma from a household where two parents sake2? R: YeLk., M: Bw about one parent s~okes! R: ~ fa~E~ used to smoke 5ut he quit a couple of years ago, a; ~ fatScr ad to smoke a pipe, but all his kids, t~ey all smoke, cvl~bedy, R: I'm the only one in $ family who works in an office, and then is mon and more pressure in tSa office to quit, the non-s~okipg In restaurants and you haJ, I can't really disagree with them, H: Is that something you consider in quitting? R; ~ It depends if, I mooe rowd quits a bit in our office and if nobo~ O smokes there,,, O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·ls- a: r tried to ~d: in the CMadian Fotcar, they show yea the films of what you're Ilmqs look like, oh God, it is siekcninq, they show this aot of Ilnfs and at first i: was healthy lunga and then they wan just black with nicotine. R: Yeah, we saw ',L,ose in t!~ school. H: In high school, is that tc~ewhera you hear about it? a: Yeah.. a: It is too outdated in te~ool, the way they bring it across to you, R: We had a teacher who was smoking himself who was teaching us that, a: It is hard to say that somcring is bad ken the guy teaching is doing it. a: Ihe? tell you i: leads to cancer, yet they are g~PPinq the cigarettes out left, right ·eutre and laking millions of dollars off it, a: (oso People s:e~klng · inaudible) it: You know you have kids and you tell them they can't amoks, and they turn arolz~ and say, well, you ilre doing itr they figure it can't be that bad for vou, hi Rn your kids old enough to bug you about smoking! a: lictually, the oldest one doesn't say anything, it is the five yea~ old who is always bugging me to puft smoking. I think he sees the ada tm t,v, M: is that where he is getting it Iree~ a: POP, i think so. That is when you get the pangs of guilt, O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·19- a: ~ little daughter, i don't think she will ever srmkel she does tell her OthBE re~times, t~at she Ihould Citl hUt f don't Jhk she' vill ear amoke, she is just Yat type of kid, even if we keep smoking and smoking, but she will tell her mother that it isn't good:or her, M: Where is she hearing Yet from? a: I: don't )mov, maybe in school, she is in ~tada 3, so you ~ow, by that tin they are teaching the kids, at she might hear you coughing up the phlegm too, a: Yeah, that's true. a: r think kids are a.!i~e more health conscious than Z:ey ware, you know, kids an a lot more !n:o~d nov~than they were 10 or !2 years ago, they didn't really, Cley never told you it gave you cancer, now evexybiPg gives you canser. a: Yeah, when we wan kids Bry s'cill have commercials on t.v.' it: Yeah, t~e? did. a: (inauEijle · two or tSce people speaking) a: Did you Jee, that on t,P, once, sCOneOne actually got away with drinking a beer, 1 g~ in a gorilla outfit, tSe guy nached over and grabbed a beer and starting h~king it. f: Let's go hack to when we first started, when you first started smoking, do you remember the trs?t fint tin you had a cigant:e! a: Yeah. a: Df22iwss. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 22___ -20- R: Yeah, my mrrm would give me a cigarette for going to t~e store, ~d then after ~4at, every time I want to the store she would give me a dganttlr that is how I started, actually, that is show she starred me. R: f sen: q brother to the stores witl 75C to get all t~e candies, and he came hack with there two packs of eigarectas, when cigarettes cost about ,29C a pack, and i said what is this, and we went dies and miles and hid in the bush and Smoked a whole pack of cigarettes and f staled after that, M: You started imrlediately after thatl R: Yeah. El: But you were sick, R: But I ~enr gave m! brot~er any money again. M: why did you· cca~tinut s~king if you didic't like it7 R: `l don't know, but when you first stla:s~oking it is awful. R: Yeah, ~o coughing, ~e choking,., R: I t~~ic you feel like a pun·u? smoking, yeah, your buddy sits there and says fust smoke a few more and you will like it, M: You're buddy started you! R: Yeah, B: Okay, how about someone else. mdr first cigarette, first timel R: ~ f~ot cigarette was an Export rollie, my fetter brother use to,,,no ccle else would give us cigarettes, if you were going to smoke you would have to Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ···_ ·21- R: SUP~POrt your habit, 5Ut tq foster brother, would learn how to roll it, and I think t~at was t~a fiat cigarette f nooked, a roil-your-own, and My tine I had enough 3oney for a Back I would just bq it, they would last ma a week, M: ed.d you enjoy ~~t ci;ret:a tSo~h? R: Yeah, I Ylink f did, this is what it is all about, I t~i~zl r got a little diuy, but eventually i:,,, R: Sinw I've been ~e~F Tlayerl;, I sure get ditty, you know, if you don't ~moke for a oou:re of hours, you sure feel it, N: Is that a plcasklt feeling or? a: Yeah, net bad M: when was t~e first t~me you had a dgantk~ R: It was when my buddy k?E I used to hang aso~Pld together and one day we decidsC we woul~ go halfs on a pack of ci~et:as, they vam about 85C or 95e, so we smoked ahout half a pack each, half ce every five ~i~utes and after the peek was ~ca~e r felt rally sick, so I j~st said I was going hc~e and told mi n~ I needed a aspirin, I just went to be and didn't smoke for a colgle ofEayt after t~at snd gradually I stated again, M: Why did you go 5ack to you think~ h I don't Imow, r pus# I wanted to go hack cventhough I aally didn't feel that good that day, I kind of thought it was bsea~r I had smoked so fast ad when r did smoke gin I dib't loke them that fast, I smoked them .cme eve,y two hours just to ~kt sure I didn't feel sick, I]; So ,, 1Pd YOU~ kdhr dacibd 0 b fr togtWc~, 0 Iry it ,,. R: Yeah, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -22- I: what nL you wat to ~~17 II I ~i~t tho paooIa I h~p lp·d d~, a9rybody sookad ad I wt ~se Ila younger ed f ~bC ~ fit in, B: I s~ld smoking in iP74, rY !~LLI A ad ~'d hid soat"liPg to driok ad r~me er into tha room ad eibad oiqarsttas ad tha p1911 f bPg out u:~ for 1I~1 e*~$ J~ld oroapt a, I had always boon th( ~o- latlr booauas I plr had dr egl to a;v3ka, ed I tuned w·d ad took OP1 for I Y1 jokC, f II~ i:'9 ·d s10k1d it ad LWYoPa Offllld aPothOr OCr ed ~'1 ban srOkiPF I~e~ ~e~ I: Did POP 1ik1 it thl da::f~cl II YI~, r did. 1: You ~ut Of, PP had a Icc~d me, b about pp .9: Wail r ~lv g g b~lPI first ad thaP thI Toronto Islands ad it a pat~ haayr hippy ad I Fly Po with s·~bo$ laksd pot ad I odL't ·Yat·d why ayonc ·ellC eiS~r~t~~ ·d ~·nt·lb r just tied dtl: la~~g i joint a cipt=e :a~C nlec rd le jot atld out t~t I·a tin' lihr I bd kd I let I voUld halo I ,ipr~c,,ar pt to tho Point Lit 4 f:iendr got rinC ei no hue~ing cigal#lt so I would bq 1 I d be ~~d aooupls 1~: aloint. Il wha did you first be Pour first oigaretta! ~+ b~lD~ 1~ I hC ~q snoking dp 1 oouplo of yaars Lma that 1: Pox about you bb, whaP a your first oi9arlttal PI Ths fiat t~l f ,lt ~L~ nrnaZ, f think it I , b to I~n I pcl~C for a olbr boy, ha a olbr, ad r a spalled bO figPrad d~ wrldn't I~, (I& ldd ,·~~l,~,t pi d(~4 ·1 b I ClibPDF - v~~fastio.soni ~r -23- R: more he dared me to do it, r finally ed it and ha gave ma sc~ cigarettes, That is the first recollection for me with cigarettes and after Yot, when my mom caught me, she just started Giving them to me for goingt3 the stare for her, N: Is was a reward for going to the store for her! R: Yet, i never really bought them for a couple of yeats 5ut I always had just a lit-~e taste for cigarettes m~tir she laid down the law apd said I had to s~t. Sqinp them for nrjself, M: Bow a~ut you Edit R: when: first stkrted, tour or five of ~I friead~ were smoking L:d they told me to have 1 Cou31e of drags, the fiDt couple f was e~okfng krE coughing and ~ Yr end of the cigarette, it was no problem. L r F3ess there are ether things we can do as well as smoking that probably are~': absolutely essential for us 5ut are enjoyable, Somebody ~eention,d bear, alcohol, eating is another Yi~S~ So cigarettes go with coffee and so: k:d beer. Ii you had to give one of there ~, which would Sc the last ring you would gin up? R: Sox. It I: hew I should have raft that out, w~Q one would you hang onto until t~e ve~ end? R: It is essential to oat anyways, I mean some people eat every two hours, but tin get away with one meal a day, and sometimes it isn't until 10:00 or 11:00 at night, like I haven't eaten today, I know whom I get home ~ supper is in the oven 8116 1'11 just lit down and turn on the tube J then eat. Seer would be the last WIC f would give UP. I: So~body else, which would be the kit one) Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -24- I: ~e·m~ r'r a, II ap~l vwld he to L ~I let ~aoc I a~h't rt to Iff down ed ha a hat without a ef~~~~~ P: r h't lora, I would give 9 I·~ng fitI:, I Ukt rating but I don't aat I Id, r dtink hat hut I don't dtink I lot, I ~~Z I oould ~t ~~ ~1. r know that fig~~~l~ Il whit r would ~· a Brrt~ r hoPe tea Ita P~1 to 51~ · I" t:sl uicotina p ed I cc ~ Olt· P: lhIt DiCdiDI C ~1~1 POll, it ~ID't 9~, B f at to oat h~ot!z~d, thIt will do it. h lhat v,a off aftor a whila. b r don't ha, p: ciqatattas, I don't p I day v!~~ bTi3g( pt o.' cipt~~, I lot of pooolo, ~~r w out of oigatattaI, thcy a out ei oifItottcl, I oan't do ~~t, hut ~a hot ii tha aeo yl I ha to d:~~ I hot ~~~~, oan if I: Ir just a ait-gook, f hat to rLink ~ hat, bt I Btl that tha eiplt:a, I re tho old 119 1$1 Ihl it OoinP to ~ Itoto rdwill ha ~gt blFk, ed ~rll hOtl latat I'nlt~~g thlrl without oigatattsrr but if ~,a is I hot thoto I'11 ~it that( ·d trmt i: baek and thou I'11 90 ed oat ~l~~g just to rqllel tha tipn#l. So taplIoino the eirrlm would h I lot aaaiot for a the qlriog b hat, It I think I would atop a~ ~1~1 first, r a~ it would bat to h tho etpl~l kfota tha hot fot r. It r: '~t ptohbly ssnks ~~~d lrtl h tcl. ClibPDF - v~~fastio.soni -25- I: Okay, a couple of people have mtiwed, let a just turn to k:c'2.er sSjcet, this is mote a seoticol to do with your general opinions more than what we Save Seen talking about, bow you star:ed, this is are into a general attitude area and a kind of touched on some of the areas already, bur I would like to go over them a lit'3e more. t think there has been a lot of publicity lately about smoking and health,,, .3: There has been a lot of publicity abort puft~ng, like on te~ev~siea, they have art those ewaercials, they are trying to getpeople to q~:~ Il Okay, what do you think of tSosel 3: I t4ink it is a good ave actually, it does get to somebody, it will get to somebody, maybe not to any of us, but it will get to screjo~ in a younger Fto~, like Cq~g high 56001 kidS· it: Yeah, people who ate just starting, a: ~Zla: is what ~cy have to gear up to people Ylat are just s~i~ or haven't stating and are thinking of starting, that is Yle only place you can stop it is where i: starts, you can't stop it ace it has Jtar41, n: Do you think it is a good idea? Should Clay be doing this? 5: It is a good idea, I don't think the tobacco companies like it very much but i: is a pood idea, that is why,., Icl 2hcy are funding a lot of that though, R: That is why they put cn the package that it is dangerous, Everytime 1 see ~e of those ~o~eials I think about quitting, h Yeah. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ~ -26· a: at worit tL.e? had the CMoer Society come in and we got an hour off work and ~~Y stoved us t~e movies, and they had a nurse there and she eve us all t~e statistics on women with cancer and 111 kinds of cancer e~d for abou: a week after that it was rearly stuck in my head to just quit, all ~e tisures and stuff, and it was an up·to·data ons, It wasn't old icturas or E:1Ying she went right to town, she knew what she was talking about, mis ~as sponsored by your eqloyerl Yea"., znCle eancar Society and they gave us 111 these reasons why we should and X YoUght about it for a week and decided no, was t: the sort of stuff you could believe! Oh yef, i: was believable, but it just doesn't slam to a3oly to yourself sure all these people have died from it but it just doesn't seem that you are going to die. i: I tc,i.iu also the fact that a rot of people die frerm getting hit vi~ ears. and I~ff too, Yea"., life is one big chance, i: Ii sc;eone you knew died of l~mg cancer, you would probably cut down or quit, i: i P~~k those commercials and everything are a goad idea, f think they shout have mote of them. I think the problem is that they don't have enough because I know r keep tlyinq to quit and I'PleettY IUY, I like smoking. n: But what is smoking doing to you in the health area? i: · Slowing you down, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 __ · -21- R: It is XiU~g us. H: pow is it going to,. RI I: 01~ your wind short, El: Like I said, I did ai~rmiq last week and r did four lengt~s full 3~ and i had to get our of the pool, r ~ought r was going to drown,: care out ad I vas llaginS for the si8eto get out. R: I dent: dn~ I'm out of wind so much, it is just t~at I am Fc::4S a cough ME i see my fathetwi,o has bean ssoking three peeks a day, Md I also play in a 5Md, and sometimes when I'm on the dnm~ fox about an ho:r and a half,:stkl to spa snow in front of my eyes, like a television screen, lack of o~l~Sen, hut i pur that off ~ exertion, not cigarettes. M: b5 w:.Yoned lag cacet, do you associate t~,~at as a risk~ it: I t~i~ people who smoke, it you look at older people 3no smake, t~ey look older tha i: t~ey Cl~n't smoke, you can really tell at t~e fae:cr~, Care are a lot of Italia people there L?C you look at cmo ad bo Sul, is 50 years old and he looks aho~t 35, ad you look at another guy, his ~~b axe yellow f:o~ smoking, he must smoke one a~ter another , ad he looks about 10, . f ~ir~ yor: can tell as you get older you can tell that cigarettes are doing sc~aat~ing:o you, R: Yeah, alot of ~ family is from Newfoundland Md there isn't a lot of education down were and a lot of people smoke down there, and there is a lot of people getting cancer ad stuff, it is only recently tlat the education is getting down here, R: I Qi3k the cducatica~ is thexe,it is just that people don't go to stool, like we only had CBC an the television, b I'm from Nova Scotia and we had the E~ma thing. People would rather work tha get an education. 4 Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ~I ·ZB- R: What I as t~ylnS to say is that without t".e education down then, a lot more people do it and I think It is very pad that it is Put there, R· We are relating smoking to t~e lack of knowledge and the damage that it cM do to your lungs, n: But in your opinion it is doing damage to your lunCsl R: Oh yeah, 8: Ihat is the major t~Lq~ M: Is it just t~e wind, Or is it likely to encourage cancen ic: Cancer, R: I know this FLy in his 90'P and 4 is smoking a!l c~a lights and f don't think he is going to die of cancer. R: r think it is heredity, rrt cousin and pq father have been smoking a lot for a long tim and his liver is screwed II? from us drinking, but I think it has a lotto do with beredi~~y influence. I t~ink that you have a higher percentage to Jtst with in a case like that. (END OP tST SI~ OF T~) Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 _~ ·29· ('"Beginning of #eca~d side of tawl') R: (inaubible · two to three people speaking) MI You a.rt talking about primarily lung? 8: Yes, rssp~to~, R: heart disease, hi Eva gum disease R: Yeah it has to eat away at yo~- ruth, R: It can take your taste buds away too, R: Yeah. a: r eat ~F~ steaks rarer now 5CEWe f or hardly taste them if they are ovoteookad, R: when you smoke eoe~t~inF tastes different, Mt Is this something that enoourages you to Fuitl R: Yeah, R: Sc~etin~s~ R: I can enjoy the taste of a rot of things on their own, like a~ri~, I have to have a sere and dip In it butter just to enjoy it, R: ~ r find the saaa thingvit~ steak, I use to j~pt wok It aodnow f have to have all kinds or spices rd stuff to taste wmethkg. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·30- H: Do you hev of anybody in your family ox your immediate circuit of friends who have an actual physical problems Yat ha been treed back to oakinq? R: cn~~ of my friends had a eolaspsd Iwg but I'm not sue from what, R: C~e of my S~ends too, and he worms in a area where the use sor chlorine subs~nce to grease the ice ad nobady was guile sure whether i: was that or the ~v~C packs of cigarettes a day. I: So it might be t~e industrial environment as well? R: Yeah, I was in tSe place and he told me to walk in there and r couldn't get past Ys door before my eyes started watering and I couldn't breath, R: Out boss gave us asbestos one day to make something with,and as soon a he left Ye :Imn we all tSsrv it away ad lite no a cigarette. You would think Yat if tSey wan afraid to handle t~e asbestos they would he afraid to smoke. we had asks end all that stuff, I: I Aow does Yatrelate to smoking? R: well just Yat so many people varsy about chemicals so much ad Yley are sakiilg a cigarette that is going right into your lungs. You put something like Yae across, tlat idea ad you would think people would quit smoking, M: Dc you JIIoGV anybody who has had a physical healtl problem directly treed back to smoking? R: I've pot a friend who ha a really bad ease of angina and the i~sdiat~ ' cause wasn't the smoking but a lot of the complicaticcls were caused by the smoking ad ha was told to quit smoking or he was going to die, RI Knen r had my four widsa teeth out, ad the doctor said I should pde sloking j~st Irmtil I got out because it could get fniaQd~ I know that it took about a week leger to clear a, I cut dorm but didn't quit, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·31· R: would hepatitis have anyt~4inq to do with smoking because I know this girl who has had it three times and I'm just wondering, I feel that maybe it might ban s~ncthing to do with her smoking, R: ~ granbt~eo, I don't I(now hew long she smoked for and eventually she died of a brain t~or, and it could or could not be related directly to her smoking, M: What would Se t~e ccmnection rare? R· Well, the smoking does cause eblcat or whatever and she ended q with a brain t~or but as far as I know then has been a few other people in t~a family who have died of son sc~ of cancer or a tumor, M: Save they been smokers? R: host of them, M: R11 of this infocaaYon and health stuff swolmdsd by smoking, when do ypu nor~allv get this information? Al T,v, R: people, people an always coqlaining amlPld me. A: Yeah, non·sllclurs. P: (inaudibla · eve.yone speaking) A: hostly from the people who don't smoke, H: So thess ate your peersl Al ~lcs~ tike I said, they have it wrote right on the side of your eigarettos now that it is dangerous for your health, that is 4 over the place, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·32· R: 31a eweor Society is the biggest advertiser for nonrn#kiag. R: I think the Problem uit~ the advertising is t~s.at t~lp are too nice, a Picture Of flowers and a broken cigarette or son~athilg, they should be shoving Pictures of the black l~m~, R: Yeah but it Is like the starving children in ~t4iogia, T: don't wk:t to have it shoved down pv face. R: I mean if they want to influence you to stot, it makes you think. B: (inaudible - eve~one s~eaking) R: It is like that CDPEIC3eizll that they have a F7 rowing the boat klZ they say you don't have to cerebrate a lt~e exercise by having 1 24. Wny don't they make no their mind what they are Going to 20, So you can't have f~s viY the other sob of:, R: Yeah. R: I t~fnk t~e wst;uf~w safety eo~eIcials are Food, R: Yeah, if they gave you a are aSFupt c3nn~orei~a! like t~ar for efqa~ttes you would know then, it would shock you, R: They should show somebody hfinq fron cigarettes, sharing that that has mads that guy die, R: Right now it is just Pictures of flowers or !c~ebe~ running through the field, R: You get the ads In the nempapars or magazines, or a b~eh of paqls standing around with a slwd boat behind than and then there is a big paekaga of oi5erettel cova~ing most of it. b Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·33· k r than they de have thet m vith the A blr~( the ~I Mo ~d lih ~d~~~ici, that isn't I bd ona. 1: aal w'· hoon tlU(ing ~~ eirnt~l ad yonr blP~, a ~p ebct :orps of ~kc~ ~~t IIa different froO elgwtbl that IIc I aa PI laII Of I rfrH P: I ttink thst ~l~g tohICCo q ha a littlC hit 1III. i ·ha~d you e· Ct 1~ e·elr hot ad. P: 1 pipe, you don't ·~~t inhalo a Ofp~ n: i ~~ ar~ b L toO. n: ad do you ~B~ stout ~~sl otter ~(I of tohoeO, toJ !I I D!I1 81~1~ 0 d~~17 II pine tobaeeo ·~$ hr 1#lt ~~~ Il r dd ray ttIt Pipu a ~a for l~ir~~ ~I for, you a not a~lL tooked on ttrm, it ii a niel ~~~ When you aIotI a pipa You a It S~g around IC relaxad uIwlly. b I Id of ~1~ Uh to pas with it~ b Pipe tohaooo ii a da QmC, you e't ~it ~~P ad lah a pipa all $ las, you ~~~ it ·· in 1 aill, II ii thd hettsr for youl ClibPDF - v~~fastio.soni -34· R: I Would think i: is, R: It says ca~ the cigsro:te package to avoid inhaling. P: It is better for you teeth and your Ila~gs r (luess~ M: So is it likell, to ba.c3 mother area though? pi (Ih yabh~ N: How about cfca*s? R: i don't smoke ~em. R: It takes abo~ ~ hours to smoke one, M: What about cignllot! R: mev an Fool, It isn't bad, a cigar will last you longer, I WM hold one for an hour, i chew Ya wine dipped thing. R: Ano~er you don't have to worry about with cigars is that you WI hold. it then and you BW1't have to worry about the ashes falling alover, You can smoke ha~~ of it and the ashes are stuck to it. I: What about chewing tobacco! R: T've never ~j~d it, R: ~ oiether. pi That hews n out when I'm trying not to sake a cigasetta, R: Iwas with a group of guys on a ship to Qlicago and one of the guys thought he would be a big man and bought a squan of chewing tobacco and ca~ee O va~ 'spiPq it ad I w~pb~d s~a all ~n green. O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -35- n: Bw is that rclati~e to eigatatcss in tb~L~ Of how healthy it is1 R: I think it would probab!:, give you all kinds of inouth cancer, a: Stonach cancer. R: Atlletes chew it, in baseball, t~4~y chew it. a: (~vsqona Speaking · no: audible) a: I see those blek drivers with t~eir spit cups and it is terrible. mo is that baseball ~ who spits on the ball. a: (tvolyone is speaking dolt baseball, spitting on the ball, it is illegal...) a: r hit think that chewing tobacco will cut down yo~ breathing, r Can't think it has any effect on your ~1PlgS~ R: I couldn't sec why an~L~ vented to chew it. M: 10U guyb 111 Fuit at cna pint a~king eigarcttes,did you esrl consider getting tobacco any ors= way7 a: r tried t~a PEm once. a: I tried it too, it tastes horsik.!C. R· Gross R: r decided I would rather s~oka that chew that (lon and a lot of people will chew it like ordink?l gsn 3nm they r~oko, R: i vent to the doctor to get sc~ way of quitting, he said to try and chew ~p, two weeks later I was slaoking and chewing gso. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ____ -]6- L ~a, 131· RI h~ quit, 1110011~11 PiPl, in thlt Ltill ~=~g to you? b r If~s ~I trt~ of I pi~~, not nII ~e tillC, b~ it in nios OP ·C I~iL· I: In ~1~ ler~iPp pa llovod to +g PP ~ft dCthll IIBI you 511d 1 nplnoal24nt. I don't think you pdd go to 1~~~ n~~r thln ci~lttll~ p, You nold n nplw~nt though, you hnvo to find 1~~1 thlt Yo" cr,joy jPt U ~~ no your dpntt~, you nlld b~t rplrsmt or you dp't 989 to 5o YI to guit. r: Pq, ~2 1~ of roplaoolnent m w looking nt! SuggtJt loDIthing! R: ~wre!~a. E I·re!s~q in protty good, B Plnving too~~l or la~~, You ~'t going to stop to Iph, 1! r pig huabP1 nod I j·t light p I eiCa~ rC takc ft onto t5l fllld It In our Llpp you fPlt I~h L Ei~t~l not IIP in tho hg·o~, I: You rid n agl~e~Pent, lxlroiJing 1J ~~ hot if tar did d~ pluh pt ~ rot v·Cd L ei~~~ you would ~ti~l at n eig~L ~mt tile fiftv pah p~~ It Iou ond ~ rwroiJing for tho cntiro 4. ClibPDF - v~~fastio.soni ·31· R: Compensation lot smoking is trying to exercise twice as nrJeh so you feel just as good if you didn't srpokc~ H: Is this rat you dot A: well, I'p trling to quit now, I'm smoking these MB these have to be the worst efgk~tL3s 011 t~a market, Iheylll kill you. M: Exaretse I can see that, but how but a product Ylat would be a substitute for smoking, what would you go to? A few of you said you would eat moro, h That is the one thing for sure. g, Tnsy'ue ccmr.up with Tills for alcohol. You'ake a pill and it you drink you make yourself sick, they shwld c~ne up with those for smoking, that you would get lick. R; Ihat is sort of what the hypnosis is, they make you feel sick every time you want a cigaret~ or whatever, R: I thM:it would be coffee for me, a lot more coffee, R: Caffeine is like a nicotine anyways, R: Yeah, but I can't go with a coffee end not a cigarette, f wouldn't attepp~t one without a cigarette. A: Tele Savalas used lorupops, Ihat wouldn't be bad, R: Or a twthpiek~ R: Yeah, I notice when I'm chewing on a toot5efek I dcm't even want a cigarette, you've gOt.~ Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 f -38· N: ~ny ot~er things you would use as a substitutel R: lifcsavan, R: Cum, R: I didn't find any of that vary affective, 5: I don't like k chew gum hut I tried to chew it one tinr when I did quit and i notice if you have a piece of gum in your mouth and you light a cigarette, it sakes the gum task horrible, R: If t~ey made pot legal, r would quit smoking cigarettes, R: You don't smoke as ~uc~ ~cn, ii: Yeah but c~e joint is a~-o#d to be as bad as 10 oigaretks, R: E~ dad smokes a joint because it helps his asthma, You used to all it in De drug stores, now fk,ey C'tr Rw he just asks someone in the house, he would rather that t~n a puffer. R: If t~ey begalizcd eotr half the couot~y would guit smoking, R: And then 20 yeats from now we would all want to quit smoking pot, R: (inaudible - everyone speaking) hi I guess most of YOU guys have probably had a joint or two in your time, what is the difference between smoking a joint and smoking a eigatatfel R: You get more out of a joint, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -39- R: (inaudi5le - everjcme speaking) fl: I'm sorry you guys tSe tape only takes cme at a tiar it sands like an iaterestinp conversation. R: Yeah, ya get a high ha it, I get a little up and peppy, that is why a joint is a little better than a cigantte, M: ha about scmebody else on that subjsctl R: It is more expensive. R: (inau8ille - again everyone is speaking at once) R: I nan I grew ~ with the stuff and if rj parents every caught me smoking aroomd school r would really get shit, but if it was afterschool or something I could have 4 joint if f was just going to play with my friends, hi What i! f could offer you something that was legal and it gave you an of a buzz than a cigarette! R: I would t~y if, R: I would quit smoking right away, if you could gin a something legal, that would Five a a buzz, I don't )cnow about dye years down the road or whatever hut r would initially rb it. tPI It would be easier to puit ad I'm I~ol a would all quit, k I think ciganttas ate gawd that way, the mon you smoke. the hi~br it Is to pit. R: Ihat is why they 9111 it, thy an addicting, just like when eoke had rha cocaine in itl Ycu'dgnbaeohnotaPepsi, Ilpddly addicted to caffeine. C: I i I; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·40- R: 2hat is why everybody got addicted to it, they banned it in 1956 or se~ethiaf~ pi It was much earlier than that. pt Rs soon as tl~y realized you got a buzz off it. hey found out whyqeople were always S~inF eoke, M: das your at~:ude towards smoking in general changed in the last few yekrf R: When I get on ~e subway, I mean I would like to quit, but when I see people put half a 5e:: in their pecket, it smalls terrible. f P~codar if r s~ll like t~~t. R: Yeah you can really smell it. I do that, in mi hand, and uhen I'm sitting there I can snell it in my hand. pt I think about c~o people who don't smoke at all, r n~an I don't like i: in the aoning ~ ii smoke, so that is a pood reason to quit. M: Doos that bot~et you Pt all! & Yeah, it does, n: Is it soms~g that has changed ceeently7 R: Yeah, ever g last coupla of years r guess, M: dow about somebody else, your attitude towards seeking, has It changed at all recsntlyl 1: It isn't the hip James Dean cool thing to do anymore, it 19 nCW a tbQ. YOU don't see the romance and glamour Of 10~0~1 who is order, St isn't t~l thing to do anymore. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -41- R: r don't hew great rerpees for people who smoke, I actually lose rasped for myself because r do, n: Do you mally? ,q, If someone smokes r ~c~lt dislike them, but EOIP~F~I who doesn't smoke ham more respect for them because they got past all the peer press~e~ R: Yeah, I noticed tSat when I was younger if you didn't spoke you were a vfp3, now T: have frie~h who don't smoke or drink and I'm happy they dcm't~ hi why do you think your opinion has changed your opinionl Ill I guess due to the fact t~lat t~is guy can nm the football field back and forth and me, I'm panting up the mar, R: Pivs years ago you could probably r~ circles around t~at g~. 3: You are losing something because you are smoking and he has it all. M: Bow has your attitude changed! R: Mine is definitely mom nagsriva because t keep trying to quit and I'm still working on it and with the adveltiling and the education, and I usa to be into trick quite a bit and I can't M1 anymore, That really scares me when I can't even nm for a bus, I'm panting when r get cm the bus, R: Ihat is the sam with mi when I was YO1Plg I was into track and sports and I could n~n the 400 no problem, now I hew tm~L ~moio~ 50, So primarily for health masons you hew changed, fl: ePerybdy gets a secund wind, but you snmkn a lot, it seeps like fonar O before it gets La. iV Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·42- R: Yeah, I find it f'lp in a tight i've got to ~aks the first three count because Ilpl dead after those. R: Yeah, i noticed that, you want to get the guy dusted beforr you get too tired. M: Is there any other way that your attitudn in recent years has changad towards smoking7 R: f think nina has changed towards, r blase cigarettes on the gova~mant, I think the government is behind the whole thing. R: yeah so do I. a: at memey making. R: r think s;aoking has to be the biggest industry, at least for eanada, I don't ~nu about the rest of the world, hut thay are ~kin~l~int off it. R: They don't actually pEopwlte it tSoqh. R: mcy promote it, the pr01pOk jobs down Elf picking tobacco. R: I don't Ylink that is supporting sploking, I think that is supporting ajob, R: mey sand about 100 people to Tilsenburg every year. R: I still dcm't think that is pro~ting r~pokin(f cigarettes. R: You go to ~nanpouer and that is where they send you, to go and pick tobacco. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -43· Mr It seems to me that your attitudes have changed to a negative point of e~ew, has anyone not changed that way, tlay fael battar about, how do you &el about yoatsclvcls, ass you feeling My or batter abart yourselves now that you era considering guift~np mora sorio~alyl h It is a ~eling that I can't describe, it feels like there is mora pnasure on me, there is a faaling k6en you don't smoke, you build up pressure inside you to snake. R: It feels raall~,~ansiw to mo, just about a month ago I had to pay 550,00 to get my taeth cleaned, and it is for the tobacco and the nicotine stains and $50,00 right then and new that eigararkJ ate over $2,00 for a small, it is just feeling a burden evan, you go to work to pay your Mt and bad your family, now it feels like you are working because you need so ouch monay per week for c!garetts, it makes it feel like it isn't worth it. M: When we were talking about this before, obviously you have to look after your family and that sort of thing, but lan you are gatting down to the little pleasures I think you mrs saying eigantc~s would be the second last thing you would give ~q. R: yeah and you have to pay for that, it is a$ansig, you get the feeling that it isn't worth it anymora. Il: Pivo yso~r ago, whom you tried to quit smoking evarjbo~ said no don't quit, and now lan you say it, avaryone tries to support you, R1 yeah, thay are trying to help you, R: yeah, when you try to bum 1 dgaretta off tbam they say no, you are trying to quit. M: What about t~s public at large, including all the aon·slpokeal : R: f notice that f am IEll more EOIIClops of it, I:notice I always blow ry smoka in the air, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -44·· R: Yeah, it is a habit, just so it don't blow over to the next table. R: Ewn ii I'm talking to soosone, I blow it in the air, a: Po you think the public at large, do you think their attitude has changed over the years! R: QFah, R: DB~Wfaly, I: r'11 put a eipratte out many times, they come right. q $ you and telll you to put it out, RI I find I ask if oloPL mind ii I smoke. R: They ain't too many elevators nowadays that don't have ~at no~snolt~og sign, R: linybody who smokes a cigar k*o~md me, it makes ma feel really dispYnp, even ii I'm smoking. R: I think the nw·~soba railly pot a wide popularlity now, No smoking on escalators, elevators, you )mow, why should you have to smoke on an elevator. RI Hw do you feel about ehatl Ri i like it, it harps me, R: f don't pay no attention to it, r say whoever is going to make a eitizens arrest can tfnd me $2,000 and good luck to them. I's been told to put my cigsrette out before and r tell them to oolleot it, It aggravates me because I am a smoker, and non-smokers aren't s~katJ, thay, i mean we have rights too, that is why they have sections in restaurants ac~t, some restaurants they don't even have Jtnyr. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·45· R: I~ think a lot of nstaurant owners get n4ly annoyed because then is hardly anyone sitting in the non-smoking section and that whole section is cmFty~ R: The smoke is eirculat~q through the res~arant anrJays, R: You si'i In the smoking section and tL parson right behind you is in the non-smoking section. H: You guys are saying CSat you have rights as smokers, so when does your :ights as a bPOkaE and and the dFhtF of a non·sPo~er kgin or do tS.ey owrla3 . R: I'm like him, if I'm sitting then rating dinner, I don't want anybody sm3king, r don't want to cat and breath in smoke at t~e same time. People t~at don't smoke, one of the things they say is that people that smoke smell like ashtrays, R: r think those rights should be I mutual agnement between the non·slaoker acid a smoker, It shoddn't be law, it should be okay, jet a wtual respect and because you'n not smoking, I'11 go around the corner and have my cigarette, R: aut instead, the government threus down this law that you w~not smoke, whenas I feel the non-smoker should just turn arol9ld and ask you ii you mind not smoking, R: ~hat~s right, it should be a eor~wn cPtrosy. R: ib~~ an pads to be broken. R: I'm a lot nn oonsoious these days. Ii I was to go into a meeting and no one else was smoking, I woulh't smoke, because I )mowthat ii someone in hen was to light up a cigar, it would bug nr, and I woPld ieel that I had a dght to tell that ~ to put out his cigar. I malp aoma wanm O pot on so ~eh pti~a it makes you cough, it is the san thillg~ O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·46· R: I think people will always find lolpsthing wronF with everything. If it was decided that ga wasn't good for you, then would be a law on flawing R: I hate a person throwing chewing gum into t~e ashtsay, that is anot4er thing about cur:ousey, take your gsn and put i: in tin toil, and throw in it in asht=a~y, Non·smokers don't do that, they just throw it in and then you put you: cigarette into the ashtrsy and it is really gross. n: I think you are saying that you secognize that non-smokers have rights as wall. R: yes, r :eooEoize , I'm mon ec~eious to their feelings, and I think it is just. R: It isn't just, ~cy are making the non·sakex out to be better, more right and I dCn't believe it, R: I think that is right thersgh. RI r ypght when m! father use to chain smoke in the oar, and you couldn't open tie windows if you wen on the highway, and I remember yelling It him and he would yell hack and these would he big fights in the oar. By the end of the oar ride you feel siek. R: r don't think non-smokers have more rights than II that is like saying white people hs~s laore rights than black people. R: ~sy dm't have mon bat they ham fiftylfffty, they have to aJpcb that you are going to smoke ed you have to respect that they don't want to smoke pour eiqaretb, so you sit then Md you sit osr then. M: f think pm~ weC saying the way you blow the snu~ks up in the dr, R: I think befon a lot of people wan mon ignorant, but now they an mon O E~seio~ of the situation. O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·4F X: Ibey should have smoking on certain can in the subway. n: TPis is leading r into an issue that we touched cm before and that is the secemd-hand smoking issuer we won talking about, do you believe that your smoke is potentially harmful to eemcco~e else who doesn't smoker but inhales your smoke! R: yeah, IL: yeah, R: Wot really because smoke rises right away, it goes up in t~s sir,~ R: Do you smoke with your baby? R; I do, I meM j don't blow the Smoke in his &CCr but I smoke while I'm hording hill, I blow in away frew him. 8: p,you are thinking of him, M: Does Mybo~ not think tlat it is an issue for non-ssoke9 to be concerned abwtl R· I don't think they m going to get anything off it, usu4Uv ii someone is sitting where people an smoking, they do something about it or the smoke ir~olt bothering them. R: smoke blowing off the end of a cigMtte is supposed to be the wont, R: put is the worst, leaping it in the ashtray and it blows in your face, R: Yel, it rises right up into peoples faces. R: pat bas to be the wont, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ~ ·48- R: If y0u sat there and breaded that sake in, you would die. R: I guess you would call that first had lake wulC't youl b r don't hc~, M: Is this loathing t~at was brought opt before:, This second hand s~ki~gr is it reeent or is it.., R: It is s~etbing that I've heard for year, but I've never shoved mueh attention to the feb, I always felt that it wasn't My real, like in an elevator yest it is crowded, but... R: (inaudible · everyone spaddng) R: If you s;noke around your house all day, you can notice, you got a filo ·on ya~ window. R: When I was working as a bus boy in a restaurant before, I used to e!alu the vails and there would be 1 yellow stain. It was all nicotine~ n: aow about t~ass orpizations t~at are Mti·saking, we nmtioned a few of them before, both health vise and for other reasons, the CaaaEibl hcei Soeie~7 R· ~ey are de ones you show the nu~st respaet for because it isn't only the non·swkar they ate trying to help, they are trying to help ~vclrybo~, they are trying to find a cure for weer, let alone proate it, so they should be lorm the respeot for their advertising in ~Pitting saking, these other people with the three different filters ad stuff, it is just a giaiek, a aney gimiek. H: What other groups ate there that have some credibility that you should show ~m~ps tsgld fort Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·~9· I: Ihe ~p ~~mi~o, 1: ~1 the hldth ulod~~r think eiguette smokfag ie had, dr ~~~ kaooiation probably bl. I: I'I t~tking ahout o~f~i~l ol la kind, how lhout people like dootors ad ltnfi, 6~~ your Q~or any to lol~ hcl you rhonld Idt looking, ia Pit a ilPortann Qe107 h t'* oL had one aoctor a tell r I Ihodd ~t. 1: ~ Ctor ewkea 1: I've never had a doctor that 1C't fKIke to r #~Clt worry about that, 1: pleY ~U y"u ii you ha high blood PQIIW yon LoQh't lab, it oan lead tp I~bl ad heart attac)u. 1: r think in ~1~ oi eall when pal, are tryinr to get loP to quit a~p it ir juJt water oii I duok'a Y, there is no i~~n ledioal danger, f'i I~ everybody hllal that it it linked to elar, ~ you look at the P1~1 who have been eroking ail their liver ad the trade out ktween the rL~ ad pleuure, hut the aua people Is~ e~op it pot b~·~ they enjoy their d~t oigarette, it L 1 lodll ~g ad that ia how Inoking will he It~d out, $ ~~~ a ati-eoeial thing, pou a the P bold dp~~n every he ILL~P h Lit, II it ~n't I drn9 then ehl ClibPDF - v~~fastio.soni ·50· a what I an getting at is which of these klti·~kiag organizations an more likely to get you to stop smoking! R: I think the CancerSodcty, R: Ihe Cancer Society, R: Ye~h, M: 8~ about the other side of the coin. Do you think that the tobsao i~· btxy, that you should hear from them at all? R: Nor r don't think so. R: I don't think by should he allowed to advertise then, R: I don't think they would adva~se against smoking. R: Nsybe they should have the sane rehahiutatim houses bat the alcohol cpmpanles are forced to dot RenLissanel ~wsl and all t~t, R: Y~~h, R: (insu~i5le - mmabled) Il,llmg cancer and things just.like the alcohol does to ~ alcohoUe. R: with the wk?ling these have on the cigarette pack, they don't rall it is from Rothnen'e, it is tron the Surgeon Cenlnl, N: ~yk I didn't explain what I neant properly, You hear a lot of stuff from the anti-snoking groups and you hear very little it ~thinq tram the tobacco ~ndusty, or from anybody who ~~eorts smoking,,, R: 'Ihcra is too much money involved, it is a biola they built up for the last h~d~ed years and they just can't pin it away because of the nt~·s~Pkcnr, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 _.__· __ ·51- II L~ whit f a ~$~ap lbout, ii do Ir wat r hIII ~lr pa~t of dlu! E IIB. II Would tel liltm to ',loir polt of du a ~~ ~iPp iIIPol? 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ClibPDF - v~~fastio.soni ·52· M: I think r: have cotrrcd of! ettsrlBing t Wanted to speak With you about, let us just to a quick check to ~ak~ lust I hawn't left out M~t~fng in and I Will be tint back, R; (People speaking about hockey and beer.) n: okay cw~body, thanks wq sach, t~mks for eomin~. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111