Imperial Tobacco Job Ne,: 203·R5P Group 2 · Fcmala Never Smokers Hay 28, 1985, 1:30P·R~ R, W, Crosby Introduction by moderator, H: let me start off by asking for your First name and just a 1 i ttle hi t about, yourset f, What you de, what your family situation is and that kind of thing. Can we start here, R: ny name is Lisa, I'm boarding right now with some people and I'm in sales~ HoPefully something else in the future, n: You are locking for a change in career ate youl R: Yeah, Sc this is just a temporary thing, II: Fine Lisa, R: Hy name is Jackit and I'm some kind of a part·tin~ student in Toront6 and tutor mainly . I have been teachi[lg, n: O,K, Thanks, RI Hy name is Vicky and I just finished Seneca College, travel and Tourism and I hope to get into the hotel business. R: What part of the hotel businessl Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -1· R: Veil, sales or marketing, Tourism youlre thinking of ehl R: Yes, M: Thanks, R: ny name is Dawn, I'm doing research at U or' T right now and will be doing a Hasters in Physics starting in September, n: Thanks, R: Hy name is lit and I live on my own, I just m3ved out last month. And in the fan I'm going to be going back to york University to study English, n: a,K. R: I'm Oenise and I go to Western, n: What are you doing at Western Oenisel R: Sociology, n: O,K, R: )Ily name is Colletn and I go to U of T ad I study Psychology and I live with my mother, n: Thanks, .R: I'm Roseanne and work in now in a school office as a secretary, But in September 1'11 be going to College taking Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -3- R:(Cont,)fash i on merchand i s i ng, n: O,K. So it rounds like a lot of school work ahead for a lot of people. I think it will be fairly obvious to you from the questions you were asked before you came down here that I'd like to talk to you about smoking. And I'm also aware that you are non-smokers so that shouldn't seem all that strange really, because we are interested in the general attitudes towards smoking and I've got a few topics I'd like to talk to you about here. As I say, I'd like to hear from everybody, not just one or two people and let's have a lively discussion about this, Why don't we start off with talking about, let's go back to your early ttcns~ Ebybe this is about bctueen 11 and 131 11 that sort of thing. Did you ever experiment with cigarettes at that stage? R: No. n: No, did anybodyl R: Yes, I started, R: I did too. n: When us thatl R: I suppose I was probably 11 or 12 but I had watched, a woman that I knew, I thought she smoked very elegantly but she inhaled down to hare, so ~m I tried smoking 1 did that too for 3 or I cigarettes in a row and I made myself sick and i've never been able to smoke cigarettes since then. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -4· R:(eont.)So I cured myself first go. n: So this was a woman that you looked up to? R: Well I just thought she looked glamourous I guess when she sm3ked. But when I did it myself the way she did it, it didn't turn out to be glamourous at all. Ilas it a relative or war it... R: Just a family friend. H: So you cured yourself in one go? R: tlmm, n: O.K, R: I was about 14 1 think and I used to hang around with, my friends were all smokers but they were all younger than IHar, host of then started like teatlryoung~ I didn't really try it to do It, I lust tried it and that was it, I knew I Hasn't going to stick with it, but I Just tried it just to let them know, you know, they can't tell me I'm a party pooper or something like that, H: Was there a pressure on youl R: Ho, not really but I just, all the people around me, I hung around with, smoked so I JuJt~ It wasn't very, just about awaek and that war it. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 __ ·5· H: How old were these people that.~~~ R: Oh, they were all younger, about 12, 10, 11, around that age and they still do smoke. n: so out of these people in the room here, Z have actually experimented in the past, Why was it Vicki didnlt, YOU stopPed that ti~nt, ii: Well I wasn't really interested in smoking, I just did it for the fun of it and I just said '7hat'J.it", I Hasn't interested. Just forget it.....,..~.~l near could inhale anyways , H: Did you feel you weren't getting the full benefit of it? R: Yeah, well I guess not. n: well, other people that I've talked to have said, hay, around about this ape weall started smoking, all our friends did it, it was kind of cool, I'd be interested in your opinion of why you didn't start smoking. I'm lure your friends did or a lot of your friends did, R: Well at home no-on? smoked, n: No·one smoked at homel a: I think if I did it wouldn't go over too well, R: No, n: So nobody in your family smoked. That's an interesting point, how IMny people come from a family that there are 2 smokers? 01 Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·6- R: Well, was, Hy mom guit after about 10 years. H: But there were originally tuot R: Hmn. M: So 3 people with 2 sekers~ How about 1 smokerl R: But my brother and I spoke to my mom and dad to the point where they did stop smoking. After they stopped smoking war when I tried, H: Why did you do that? R: ' I don't know, I just · I guess I just wanted to do it purely for the image I'm sure. But I'm glad that I didn't because after I did bug my parents it would have been very hypocritical if I'd started up myself, n: So that reinforced you did itl R: Hnn, n: How many people came from a home where there was one smokerl So that's 3, 2 and 3 are five, so by definition 3 people came from a non·sroking household, is that correctl O.K, Baeko your friends and the early teens, I'm sure you must have been in I group that at least half of thee started smoking around then, would that be fairl R: No. R: Yeah. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·7· n: Not fair? R: Just one friend of mine, she started really late, H: How late is thatl R: 20's. n: So mainly non-smokers? that surprises me. ii: ny friends I hung around with, did usually, El: Why do you think they started up! R: Probably a lot to do with peer pressure or curiosity, the variety of reasons that there usually are with tees, II: Were the i r needs any di fferent from yours In thi s regerd~ You didn't and they did, what's the differencel R: Veil, I don't knew why they did, maybe they buckled under to peer pressure but I guess I, because they were pressuring me I didn't do it, I guess it had an opposite effect on me, H: Is that fairly typical, typical of the way you handle thingsl R:' Fairly typical,(laughter) What do you think your friends had, what sort of ideas were going through their minds do you think when they were taking up Imokinpl Ilhy Here they doing this do you thinkf Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 .e· R: Probably to try it out and maybe they thought if they didn't amoke their (Insudibla) would think they would be strange or Out Of place or like, like you were saying, to look cool to smoke or glanaurous~ n: But that didn't ever occur to you then in those termsl R: Um, it probably did but because of the pressure they brought on me I just didn't like its n: you reacted in the opposite direction? R: Yeah, n: Uha~ about lombcdy elre about your fricndJ, How are you different from your friends who started sroking? (Silence) R: Well for a, ~m, I came from a all.girls Catholic School sc smoking was something that was just not done so that really wasn't a problem for a. I mean, basically none of my friends smoked so there was really no reason for me to start, n: So it was the environment that you were inl R: Yeah, basically, R: I grew up in a really small town and I think a lot of kids started smoking because their parents smoked, everybody in the family smoked, other brothers and sisters smoked at home, It just was sort of a matter of course because - it's not even a form of entertannsnt but when you come from a really small community things like that just sea to cvolve~ Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·9· R:(tont,)lt's not even a conscious dacisidn, Yet a lot of the other kids who's parents had come from outside the small community and stuff, a lot of my friends who were in that situation didn't start smoking and I think it was purely a matter of social class almost. Because you didn't need to smoke, you didn't grow up in this environment and it just didn't come as a matter of course for you so you didn't bother, n: 50 it seems, don't let me put words in your mouth, it seems that you people are laying, hey, the environment around that age Has one that could have quite an influence on Whether you did or whether you did not smoke. R: Also TV I think. n: Tv? R: yes, It almost seems the right of passage when you get 12 or 1] to become more adult, you know, to smoke, Especially for girls on ·the TV . it's very feminine or even magazines, they have these feminine ladies who seem to have a mystique or sensuality in there pictures you know, that's why a Jot of girls start smoking, n: So there is a glamour attached to itl R: Yeah. And a sex appeal. n: And you think that is promoted primarily by TV1 R; A little hi t and more the female magatines. 'n: ~en~ale ssarincs, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -10· R: Oh yeah, Because even though I don't smoke when i picture a woman smoking she's always very feminine and kind of powerful in a very understated way, And that's the kind of part that I see comes out a lot, H: What sort of magaz i nes a re you tht nki ng ofl R: Chatelaine, I don't know if they have them in maoazines 1 i ke that, Glamour,~ ~ , R: Fashion ~Mgatines .~~~. P; Yeah, ~agatines like that, H: Who else feels that there's a glamour or there's sophistication attached to the smoking or promoted for the smoking with women? R: I do, R: Sure, I've noticed that two of a best friends, when I was younger and Ild hang around them all the time, I was the eldest and then Jenny war next · 1 year younger and then Carol us another year younger, And when we were say 14, 13, 14, 15 and 16 within that, I was, we were always together and none of us ever smoked, ny parents, my father doesn't, I don't live with my father - I live with my mother, but all their older brothers and sisters all smoked so the house war always full of sakr and it turned me off, Go sit on the couch and the couch smelled, I Just thought "Ugh,how could they rake" and I us always saying "Now put out your cigarettes, don't smoke", The rest of them all did but with my friends their parents didn't smoke and He'd all lit together and I remember Jenny came over to mr one day and Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·11· R:(Cont,)she had tried to smoke and she was all really upset, she said "Oh my aunt left a cigarette and I took a puff and oh my goodness what am I going to do" and I said "Oh Jenny, don't bother doing that no more", so I think out of the ~ of us I sort of kept them from not and then Carol tried once and I said "Oh, don't do that, don't smoke, that's gross · don't do that" so then we didn't, Then eventually we all sort of separated and went our own ways, had boyfriends and stuff and then next thing I know both of them are smoking, And they were more sort of tomboyish, especially the younger one, tarol, And then I went to school one tin and I seen then both out the front smoking, I Just went "Holy Cow" and they were both smoking with their hands up in the air and since they've started smoking i really don't believe the change. Now they do dress more fashioney and they act more ladylike, especially when they have a cigarette in their hand, you know, so I think they sort of in the tight way. always go to those beaks, it always has · magazines like that so I think that did a lot~ n: So what age was this thenl P: They were probably about 16, 17,...,.start picking up. A couple of people, there are several people shaking their head saying that, yeah,.,,,is there really a glamourl R: It hits you right on the head. R: Yeah, the right move with a cigarette in your hand. it's such a great punctuation mark, you know, you see people taking up packages as if they've practiced in front of the mi rror. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·12- R: It also implies PGICr, n: Does itl R: yes i; does, R: Or they think it implies power and stuff. R: In a feminine way though, R: I suppose it just depends on what your attitude is towards smoking, If you can set them trying to use it as a toot perhaps or that they think it's making·them more powerful or whatever but you can sit back and giggle when you know that it's just a real nasty habit, n: Oo you girls feel ihat there is something misting in your lives at this age because you are not srrPkingl R: No, Not at all, Il: No, n: Vhat did you de to express your power in a feminine way or your sophistication versus people who smokedl R: At that age? n: At that age, R: I think at that age it's such an awkward Stage that pulre just kind of trying to almost find yourself to it was either you could go for smoking or else you found another type thing or else you, I don't know, went into'sports or you Just found somthing to attach yourself to se that It could Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·13· R:(Cont.)represeny you or whatever. M: So sports would be one way of cxprcssing,,,,l Are there any other specific ways that you could express yourselfl R: Sports, theatre, H: Theatre? To participate? R: Hnn, n: Somebody else. How did you express yourselves and your personality at this stage? R: I think I just, like I said, I just told them, my power was telling them they were doing wrong and then they'd think, "Oh,", and they looked up to me because I was more like the mother hen of the three of us, right, "Don't do that, don't do that · that's naughty, welre not supposed to do that" and so they sort of, I guess I gave them sort of like a guilty feeling so they didn't bother with me, telling me to smoke or try, they never bothered me like that, Because every time they would, if they would try I would just tell them "You're crazy, you're going to be sorry," n: Oid they resent you at alll R: No. But...no. We sort of separated but we were going to separate anyway because we were all going our own my but,, n: khat were you telling them ms wrong with Eakingl Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·14· R: I just that it's, you know, a bad habi t, that i tls not attractive, you know - just not nice, It's not nice for a girl to smoke, it just doesn't look nice. n: Was that the primary thing · lookl R: look and it's not good for your health. It's just not good all around. H: O,K, Fine. Well, smokers obviously get something from smoking, what is it that you think smokers, why ate they smoking? R: Well, just for something to do, calm thei r nerves, don't believe that Hill calm their nerves. It probably makes it worse because I know a few people that smoke and theylld i i ke shi veri ng and they're really bad, It's really stupid. R: But isn't cigarettes a depressant and you know how they connect coffee and cigarettes together. How I think coffee is, brings you up and then cigarettes bring you down so it's an apuitibtium - I was told something about that and smoking one time. H: So it could be a sort of physical effect that they take from smoking? R: Well I guess that's where the addiction is. n: Lit, why do you think smokers smokel R: Well I think a lot of them it Just gives thun spnethlng to do. Like, I know some friends that they just smoke at night Jet becauJe they have nothing to do with their hands Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·IS· R:(Cont,)and if they're in a situation where they're uncomfortable smoking wi t I just kind of give them a bit of power over the other people that they feel uncomfortable with~ R: Control anxiety I guess, R Yeah, I think a tot of people use it as a crutch whether they realize it or not, It's just a veil to hide behind, you know, If youlre uncomfortable talking to sowane mil you tan concentrate on smoking your cigarette as apposed to, having to make eye contact or doing whatever else, H: 50 would a smoker typically be insecure, I i ke that do you think or,,,~l R: No, not necessarily but I mean we all get into situations where we're not 100$ comfortable, even in the most confident of people and I think people who smoke just, you know that's their way to relieve the tension in a given situation Just like ,.~~.. n: Uhat do you think about this Denise? R: I think exactly what they're raying, It's kind of like, when my father gets mad he pulls out a cigarette and starts to smoke as if to calm himself or something to do with his hands or releases frustration or tension I think. H: So it can have a calming or loathing influence also. perhaps relieve tension In a particular situdtion, Are there any other reasons that people smokel R: to belong I guess, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 __ ·1~· n: Belongl R: Yeah, H: could you explain that a little bit? R: If most of your fried a re smokers i t's i ikely you wi ii become one, Oepending on your age of course, Just to fit in, hi Vhat age would that be most importantl R: Early teens, R: Yeah. R: 1 think maybe it starts at that age like that but I think later on as I know a woman, she's in her late ~O'r and she smoked when she ms younger and she cult for a long time and she was really glad that she guit and the she started working at loblaw's building, You know that loblaw's office building and all the women there smoked, they all mot on their breaks and they smoked and she just couldn't take it, She felt funny not smoking, she started strolling again after she had always said "l'm so glad I don't smoke, I'm so glad I finally kicked the habit" and when she started working and all the other women smoked she had to start again, she felt like she didn't belong, n: Gnd how long us this she had not smokedl R: She had not smoked for about 2 years, 2f yeats, 50 that was long enough time to know better net to start again but having the pressure us sort of,,,, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 .17· n: So it was the people around herl R: I think a lot of kids start smoking purely because their parents don't want them to, Because it's just anotherform of 'IJell, if they don't want me to I'm going to do it anyway", Pure stubborness and you know, trying to get, not on the bad side of your parents, but something that you can do behind their back.,,and get a little bit of satisfaction out of the fact that you're smoking and your parents don't want you to, And then of course people become addicted and then the~nrt is history, People just cannot cult, H: How many peoples parents said "Thou shalt nor smoke" in the rooml Or were they relaxed and let you make your own choicel (Silence) So nobody.~~~ R: ~..Jaid "No way",,,,but she smoked, ny dad said nothing, He never ever said to smoke or not to smoke, and he didn't smoke, She said no to everyone of us and I'm the only one that didn't and the rest all did so I don't know if that worked or didn't, n: O,K, Fine, I'd Iike to move on to, it's a related subject, Some of your genital attitudes towards smoking, I think you will agree that there's been 1 certain amount of publicity in recent years about smoking and health and we've talked a little bit about this before, Overall, what do you personally believe about smoking as it relate to heatthl Do you have any feelings about thatl Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·1B- R: Uell I think it's bad because a lot of tires 1'11 be with people that are smoking and you on really hear the cough, It's really sickening when they've been snaking so much and they just start coughing and oh, ,,,,,turn around and tell them to quit smoking, You know, I don't know then but it just sickening to hear them coughing and choking on their lungs or whatever, And then they light up a cigarette to see if it will stop it. (laughter) El: IJhar do you think it's doing to theml R: Veil, it's making them Worse because, you know. they get coughs tailer, not really colds but mostly from ~he smoke and it's making thier lungs worse · they can't really breathe as good as we can. It's really bad for them. n: How about somebody elsel Smoking and health, R: Uetl I have a part time job where I am forced to be in close quarters with smokers for about 20 minutes and when you have 1,800 all coming our and lighting up a cigarette during intermission and then running back inside, you go home and you an smell the smoke on you first of all because you are not a smoker and your home doesn't have smoke in it but your nasal passages are black because you have to breathe other peoples smoke and If I'm just breathing their waste products and all the crap that's floating around in the air from their cigarettes and they're Inhaling directly, obviously something is collecting because not all the smoke that goes in, comes out, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·19· Il: Uhdt do you think it's doing to them? R: Well I've seen pictures, I Im a scientist and I know that smoking destroys lungs and it destroys lung tissue and purely because 1 know what it does and I've seen what it does I couldn't possibly bring myself to do it, There's Enough hazards, you take enough risks every day that's just one risk that I choose to cut out personally. n: ,..lrmking and healthl Just in a general sense. (Silencc) Let me put it this my than. Is it,,,,,,.,,,,,that a smoker will live not as long as a non-saker? Is there a difference in life expectancy between a smoker and a non· smokerl R: I would think so, Not in all cases but, you know, you're smoking and you're getting all your lungs, you know, ruined, you know, that's longer for you. Your heart has to work are, your system is not clean, you know and sonr- one that doesn't smoke, everything is clear and clean, I would think there would be troubles when they get older, that might cause problems, 11: 50 you think are likely later in I i fe than earlier In 1 ifel R: Yeah, R: Or middle age prob;bly, Start having 1 lot more problems than other people, Respiratory, heart,.,, H: Respiratory is a problem, heart problems tOO~ R: yes, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 _ · -20· .n: khy would the heart problems.,t R: ,..,studies on, I don't know why, I don't remember but it seems to be a trouble to get the heart to pump as good as, if you've been 1 smoker. H: So uou've read this in some.....? R: Probably scientific papers. n: How about somebody else? Is it reasonable td expect that you as non-smokers would live longer than a sr~bcr or notl IS it going to be about the same? R: It might be the same naw......rrrake, you can't get away from it. P're probably getting just as much junk in our lungr~ R: Yiah. R: I don't think it's black and white because there are so many variables involved with life expectancy in any individual~ mean there an so many genetic factors and you can start rhyming off a million things but it seens to me that if you are going to be bombarding your body every day with smoke and pollutants such as nicotine which, I mean, they say that if you were to injeer the nicotine in one cigarette butt into your vein, if you were to mainstream It, mainline it, then pu'd die because it's a fatal dose. n: who says thatl R: Um, they taught that in Univtn i ty that the nicotine in one cigarette, if you mainlined it would be fetal~ So when you think about how much nicotine yau're accumulating it's just another pllutanr to add to your body ed another irritant Z Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·21· R:(Cont,)and another irritant and chancer, it's jet I matter of chance, but chances are that you are going to be affected, by something else, tl: So are you saying that this is one pollutant that you can avoid or is it,,,.l R: Well you can try to avoid it. hi But i t is one of many poi i utants that will ii kely affect yout R: Right, exactly. So it is something that is optional if you decide to take the risk and to smoke that is your own prerogative but we do have the option in deciding to smoke or not, n: O.K. If a raker were not to live as long as a non·rrrakar, what sort of gap are we talking about in yearsl I knt~ it's complicated because some will live longer than others, but what rorr of 1 gap are we pbsribility loakinp art R: Who's to say because you don't know where it's going to affect a person, Like, this person could be more vulnerable in the area of heart or lungs or whatever · I suppose it depends on their vulnerability of the body and then that would cut so many years of some people · they might live a long time but thei r might have bun extended if they didn't sroke. n: h. A couple of people have mentioned that, lungs, certainly but are there ether areas of the body. Are there other types of diseases that In~king is associated withl R: It seens to kill your taste buds. Clil;PDF - !::!!::!!::!.f3stlc.;:nlil ' ·22· n: Ki 11 your taste buds, R: yes, R: I've noticed a few people their teeth rot, Like their Suns, Yeltow teeth and then they turn black · they're really bad, R; ,.,.,,Eould be oany with ail the different things they do, I don't know If they cause any diseases but their hands turn yellow and that could maybe cause something of the Skin, you know, you know, it could cause so many things. ~aybe we don't know what ail it does, H: 5a I'm not quits clear that I know exactly what you are tet linq me, I think you are telling me that there ate several areas of the body or several diseases that could be associated with smoking un, and that this varies between individuals and that it is very hard to tell or very hard to roake a direct link between snPking and specific illnesses or deaths, Is this true? Again, don't let me put any words in your ruth? a: ~icll, ~odly they advise women, eapeeially over ]5 who are on the pill, not to srmke because the cwnbination between the hcnr~nes and the bodily changes caused by cigarette smoking cause an adverse effect on blood vessels especially they're vary worried about stroking and things ii ke that, So It appears that the nicotine in combination with various horenes cause some kind of stress on blood vessels, n: has anybody else heard that about the pill and ,.,..,t R: yes, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·23- R: Yeah, a: I think that is very well doclmented, I don't, I think young women who take any interest in birth control at all have been exposed to that, n: Where do you get that information from? II: from the doctor. Yeu can read it in any womcn'l Mgatine who nmtions anything about birth control or if you take birth control pills, it's wail documented, You're given all lortJ Of paraphernalia and ycur doctolr dvi,e you. R: In the paper too. n: it's in the paper tool R: Yeah. H: O,K, Where abouts, let me first ask, does anybody personally know anybedy~or have known anybody who's had a problem, health problem with smoking? R: rurm, R: Yeah, R: hmn, tell me about Itl RI Oh, I think I knew thil gentleman who had unphysema. He.died, not because of emphyselr, but It was a car accident but hit i ife was not as happy as it could have been, I think he was a O lifelong snmker, He tried to puit but I don't think he could, I? Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 .24 · R:(tont,)And he had a lot of trouble breathing, He died, but not because of smoking but his life was impaired in my opinion, because of emphyseoa, H: O,K, R: I knew someone, their friend, well he had I heart attack and the doctor slid to quit smoking. Ha keeps saking behind their back which isn't proper but they said it Has partly the effect from the smoking, H: the doctor told him thatf R: Yes, R: the same woman that I thought us glamourous srn:king has been rushed to the hospital countless times because of respiratory problems directly due to cigarette sroking, she started when she Has very young and she probably smokes 2 or 3 packs to this day, And so that's very disturbing, nt sure, Who was it that associated the smoking with It for her? R: The doctors and it's also, her parents were both heavy smokers and that just lead to bath of her parents have had lung problems directly due to cigarette smoking, R: And I know of ons doctor who was I think in his early 40'1 and he ms always a very heavy saker but he never had any X·rayr or anything like that and then he developed a problem in his lungs and they found out that itus lung cancer and it was just spread too far and they weren't able to do anything for his and he just died fml rha~. P Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 __ ·zZ- H: And that again us associated with cigarettes, by the doctors I mean! R: Yeah, R: I know a similar case with the lungs. It war a friend of my mothers. Ha had problems with his lungs and he was coughing all the time and they went in and they found out he had some kind of a fungus on his lungs due to smoking and they cut a portion of his lung out and they told him not to smoke any more new obviously you don't have both lungs. He continues smoking and when we went to visit hip there were people there, I couldn't believe, how any, especially are men, one had a large hole in his throat, he had down things and he was constantly smoking, And they were sitting there in the smoking room, smoking and I can sec it's difficult to quit right away but if ycu'd asked him "Are you going to stool", "Nah", R: Didn't have much to lose after that. R: Yeah, HLt have I got now, why natl You know...,make Iny sense,,. n: In these situations it sounded like you had very unfortunate situations, but Ire you making the assumption yourself that this Has smoking related or was,.. R: Ho. The doctor. Hedical advicel R: yeah. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·26· n: Would it be true to say that there experiences came after you had made your personal choice not to smoke? It wasn't something that necessarily influenced yout Was it something that reinforced your idea not to En#bl R: (mumbting) n: So you Jee I was right all the way alongl R: Yeah, n: I guess probably He've had in mind cigarettes most of the time we've been talking here, Are there other forms of tobacco, of taking tobacco that you are aware ofl R: you could chew it, n: chew it, O,K, R: ,,,,,,more so, (Cross talk) Il: ,,,,,all those football play.,basaball players with all the gum, cancer of the gums and ail that. There was a story on 'IV on the news, I can't remember, And it showed up outwards msre than Inside, Their teeth were rotting and they had cancer of the glass, n: 50 where was thlsl Uhere did you hear abdut thisl a: fhlJ was 1 baseball aan in the States ~ere they were showing, they were promoting it having a famous baseball player, you know, buy this, you know "lt's good" and they had warnings but Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 .27· R:(eont,)they were saying that they didn't believe them, they did studies and some, the ones that were selling the product was saying "No, it doesn't do anything" and the ones that weren't were saying "Yes it doa, n: Oid anybody else see that progtanarl Orhear of it? R: I've heard that you know, chewing tobacco and stuff does prwrate or doctors have assurd that it promotes qam cancer and things like that because people who chew tobacco tend to get it, whereas people who don't tend not to. n: Actually this i I the fi rSt time anybody's sai d cancer, \Je Here talking about health before, nobody said cancer, Vhy was that? R: Probably the first thing everyone really thinks of and just assume that it's known, R: Yeah, R: Yeah, n: 50 was that what you were talking about when you we'te talking about lung problens,,,,talking about cancer or are you talking about amphysaa or are you talking about other,,, 1 R: It can go as far as cancer, n: but that is lolwthing that was in n#st people's minds, R: it's almost an unstated knorm, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·28- R: Yeah, n: Getting back to this other types of tobacco or other typer of enjoying tobacco, ii: Chewing tobacco · lots of people roll hashish or hash oit with tobacco and it's used in a combination, n: But in a cigarette! R: Yeah, 6: But then's also,,. R: ,,,pipa tobacco, cigars, H: How do, is there a difference between the risks associated with say smoking cigarettes and smoking cigersl R: Don't people who tend to smoke cigars, tend to inhale less, I don't really know much about cigars, Cigarette smokers that i've noticed tend to inhale whereas the cigar, and you just take the smoke into your mouth end then blow it out, n: So they might nor inhale with ciqanl n: Is that a safe thing to dol R: I don't really knew, I think smoking all in all is bad no matter which form you take it in, n: new about somebody elsa'l Is there a difference in the risks associated with cigarettes versus ciganl Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·_ · ·29· R: I would think so because most people I've seen with cigars jult' it's just there, it's not lit, It just seHns that they need something in their mouth, R: ,,,,,,,anything with it (Iaughter) H: So it's not always there? i E ,,,,cigars are types like you do cigarettes, You don't really, there isn't really a research, I don't know, haven't really heard about so I guess maybe that's included in cigarettes when they talk about cigarettes, They never really mention cigars on i ts own. pipe smoking, R: I've always heard, I don't know if it's true, bur I can remember my grandmother or my grandfather always laying that pipes, the tobacco in the pipe is not as bad, because smJlre rarely and he thaught oh this is not as bad as snaking cigarettes, this is alright, I don't know if that is true but I said "O,K," n: And he was relating that to the tobaccol R: Whatever,,.,, R: But it Smells terrible. you can smell it ten feet away, n: that's the pipe or the cigarl R: both, n: let's talk a little bit more about pipes, II there a differ ence in risks between pipes and cigarettesl Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 .30· R: I think there might be, You don't set someone, I wouldn't see if a person is smoking cigarettes I think they would tend to smoke more often than they do a pipe, You'd look funny every 5 seconds to stick a pipe in your mouth ct S minuter, you know, rarhe; than if they did with a eigatet~c, You are not going to walk down the street, R: Nobody,,.,,,dane much work on that, on pipe smokers, Haybe that's why they don't know but I've heard a little bit if only from memory · it was a long time ago, it seened to be a risk also wi th pipe smokers, Just as with people who smoke ordinarily, H: But most of the research has been done on cigarcttesl R: Yeah, n: How do you feel about that DmiJel pt I didn't hear much about pips smoking or anything, I havm't heard anything at all, n: D,K, We talked a little bit about snuff or the Jnufflas tobacco, chewing tobacco, You say that certain people who heard about mouth problems, mouth cancer and that kind of thing, Is there a difference in the risks there, between smokeless tobacco and clgarettesl R: It doesn't affast the other people, n~ I guess you art aware of different levels of tar and nicotine in cigarettes, I know you are not smmkers but do you see any benefits of smokers going to a loner tar and nicotine level versus a higher osl Any benefit to the sAoker'l Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 .31 . R: Because I've heard ....right, that even though theres low tar and whatever it's supposed to be, they tend to smoke' more and that comes up to be the same In the end. n: That's one vim that is held. Someone else have an opinion on that? That lower tar and nicotine level versus stronger cigarettes? R: Probably tower the tar and nicotine, I don't know how much of the chemieal actually gets into your blood stream if they do Icwer the amounts but you are still inhaling all those smoke particles and all that stuff is going in, I would think that smoking is smoking is smoking and will make your breathing get hot, hot air with all sorts of little particle in it and it's still going to leave some kind of residue in your lung, R: Don't they bring it down, the level, for people that want to try to stop smoking and if so isn't it, as long as they're addicted they have the nicotine in their systcn~s..,,al long as they're taking something, doesn't it still kelp them addicted even though it's less, you know. Just like an alcoholic, if they're an alcoholic and they have one drink, it clicks, right and they have to have more, Wouldn't it be the same as, you know, shouldnlt they just stop altogethe,,, .they're saying take less, take less, Hayk it really doesn't work. Do you know of anybody who tried thatt R: yeah, my sister has. She just quit. She didn't like them and she went back to the other ones. II: You guys in non·sakers of course, other people Ire smokers and thel're getting for some reason or another, getting some O satisfaction fmn it. to you have any substitute things of O a pleasurable nature like that that you do instead of smokingl Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·32- H:(Cont.)Do you do something else! R: Cat, (Laughter) n: Well there's one~ ii: Bite your nails, R: Yeah. H: Bite your nails. R: Chew gum, n: Chew gum, How Mny chew gwnl 4, R: Only if somebody buys it and giver it to me, H: go you sec chewing gum as being sort of in the same contcrt as smoking a clgarettcf R: Not real ty, R: I think if i, not by, relaxing them or anything but like giving them something to do by chewing, I think i t's ii ke I boredom thing, theylre bored sitting there, what do you do · pick up a cigarette and smoke it, And if they had, I'm always telling my mum, get carrot Itlcks, celery stick and stick it on the table or have gun, you know, Chew on something and she does and then you'll see she doesn't smoke as much but then I leave and she hides the carrot sticks and she goes back to the cigarettes, But the 1 think that's, Ilke when she's watching tY shell laking b and smoking and I look at her "looki t how much you're O smoking, every 5 minutes you grab another cigarette" and I get really mad at her, O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·33· H: You (unclear)... R: Yeah, I really don't i ike i t, n: 50 there's gun and I think Roseanne mentioned eating. Hell many other people see eating as a substitute for smotingl a: I think it depends, If the person quit Smoking it could SE a substitute but not, you know, everybody cats. Everybody likes toeat, Maybe they'll eat more if they want to quit. Well if they quit they sat n#rc but you know, just if you have never smoked I think you just cat hew you usually eat ,,,.don't cat more or don't cat less, it just depends on.,. unless you're on a diet or something, R: Yeah but if, say you are sitting there, you don't smoke and there's a girl that's smoking beside you wd you are both watching a programme or something, most likely this girl that's smoking won't be eating anything · she's smoking and you're Jilting there and you might snack on a bag of chips or something, i find that if I'm with nry boyfriend's sister, she's sits with me and watches tV all the time and she's always smoking · I never sec her cat when she watches TV and me, I don't like chips - I've got my carrots and I've got something else. She never cats, you how. I'm always snac~ing on something or chewing my nails or doing something and I think that takes the place of what she's doing. H: I've heard smokers say to me, "Hey, if I gave up smoking I would just blow up because I cat and at and eat and they warty about the amount they're going to eat if thy give up smoking, Is this I real consern do you thinkl ~ a: yeah I think it is for smokers, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·~a· R: Yeah I think that's ..,,...everybady that guitl tends to go to eating,,,, R: But isn't i t because they Ive formed a habi t of always doing something in hand mouth interaction and when you stop, I mean if you've been doing that for such a long time I think that they really feel that they need something in their auth and food is the next substitute I guess. R: Conditioning, R: But if you've always been doing it and you're used to the motion, 1 can understand why they'd have a hard time stopping cold turkey. I mean you can't cutch your thigh all day, you're hand keeps coming to your mouth in a smoking-like manner, I don't think smoking cam first and then everybody you know, chewing gun or something came second. I think smoking, if people started doing it then they get used to it but if you've never had a vice like that where you keep your hinds busy by smoking or whatever then I don't think you need a substitute. H: Fine. I'd be interested, does anybody disagree with that because I think there night be some substitutes some people use for smoking. or if you weren't doing this you might be smoking. Or alternatively if smokers didn't smoke they might be doing what you're doing, R: Wail how can you miss what you never really had. R: Exactlv~ n: you don't feel that you. I think you are saying to me that, while smokers might overeat If they quit it's not a real IP problun for you because you've never had to set into the ZI circumstance where you've needed to overeatl r0 Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 R: Not exactly that but all I'm saying is that people who are used to doing anything, it's just a habit and when you stop a habit your mind's wandering and you can't concentrate and I know people who have quit smoking who have eaten tons just because they're not busy any more. Theylre hands are not busy smoking or their mouth isn't bury smoking and in a response they tend to eat but I'f you don't need that busyness, if you've never had it before then you don't need to do something to compensate for it because it's just never been there. R: Now do YOU feel about that Lirl R: No I agree with that too because I've known people that have tried to puit and they just had nothing left to do with their hands so, it's just 50 easy to grab for food instead. n: Have you ever considered taking up smoking, though seriously I know you never have, but have you ever come to it point and said "8oy I think I'm going to start smoking now"l R: Never. R: It bugs me so much I don't think Ild want to, n: What is the specific thing that bugs youl R: Well, the smell and when they blow it in your face, you can't see anything. Just the whole thing about it, seeing then stick something in their yap, I always think, you know it's just disgusting, I keep hoping they raise the cigarettes , till it's so hard for then to buy them, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -36· n: Has anybody said "Hey I think I'm ready to start smoking" or "I feel like I'm going to start saking"l Nobodyl O.K, We talked about the relative risks of different types of tobacco. How about in the pre general sense? I think we all probably agree that there Is some possible harmful effects of smoking or upon health, are there other things that we do in out daily lives that are harmful to adults as well? I'm nor thinking about walking across the road but that is one thing that t guess is potentially harmful to us, Is there anything else that we do that is potent i a I ly hannf ul ? R: Drinking. n: Drinking. R: I think it Is so hard to say, because I think it's in excess with a lot of things, I think that with certain things, say for instance, drinking in moderation, that could be fine. like they lay wine is 9006 for the digestion or whatever, a 91611 Of wine with dinner. But in excess it's going to be harmful for you. Hind and health. H: Can you smoke in moderation then as opposed to in excessl R: I don't know about Jcking~ I know people that do that. ~hey go lay, out to a patty and they smoke and then they don't any other time, I don't understand why they do that, (Cross talk) Bur that's their thing. R: Social smokers, social drinkers. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·17- R: Yeah, something to do with drinking that they smoke, Don't know why, n: O,K, Valt other things that Ne do in our lives that are potentially risk factors · we've got drinking, s~ting, what elsef R: Overeating, n: Overeating, R: Drugs, R: Undereating. H: But some things assoeiated with eating certainly. R: I don't know about the ear exhaust · some of these little can I noticed Fight now, the smoke is so heavy coming Out of them, you know, when I'm driving behind them I can just feel it, a: ~hnan. Because of pollution from,,,.,,, How about i ndus tr i al pollution, is that an issue around heref R: Probably. R: it's probably harmful far us, We probably don't think about it · m're not Is aware of It because it's just there, R: They make a big issue out of that as much, maybe they're starting to now but, a they do about smoking because it makes thua money, R: Yeah, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 __ .]8· H: is that an important Part of it do you thinkl R: yes it is because what do you wantl Do you want jobs or do you want to be healthyl it's kind of going to be t4e choice pretty soand most people want their jobs. R: Yeah, I think it's a very political situation myself but aah. n! Could you play that one a little bit morel R: Well I think that it would be all very nice and well that the rajority of Canadian petiticians just thought personally that cigarette smoking was disgusting and that in their hearts they wished that cigarettes would be banned but the cigarette industry is a multi·nillion dollar, probably billion dollar business and they pay :or so n~any things and there's just no way you can cut out an industry lire that so wt are just going to have to learn to live with it and hopefully minimize the losses end maximize the gains of it so that people can keep their jobs, people can keep their health and the economy can keep rolling thanks to all the money that the cigarette people are putting back into the country, R: ~nar'51 high hope, R: It is a high hope but we atl have to be idealists, you don't want to be a pessimist. Il: Xelt they've been writing stories in the Sun and that, that they want to ban rroking in the workplace and I don't know how far that is going to go (mumhling),,.out now so wt~ethet it would happen or not, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -39· n: How do you :eel about that idea? R: ~ think it Would be good for a lot of non·snokers and you know, when people come in, they see someone with a cigarette in their mouth it makes the office or the company, I don't know, just some kind of image that they think everybody does that, Youknow,smoking andall this smoking in every section, you don't want to walt in and see that, You want to come in and have a nice atmosphere and smoking just makes it dul, R: It's not really very fair either, fhcy don't mind, harming theirselves but we chose not to smoke because of this or maybe other reasons and here they are Sitting there and we're forced to stay with them, Like, shouldnlt we have more right, If they want to smoke couldn't they go to another room where it's Just for smokers or go out· side to smoke where it's nor going to....(ehange tape) n: ,.,,suggesting that there should be designated areas, R: ,,,canlt ban it,,, R: fhat's what they're talking about when theylte going to ban it, they're going to put designated smoking areas, theylre not going to completely ban it, (eross talk) R: ,,,,have a root, clots the room and tet,,,(]aughter),., that's how, where it'l, especially when it's nice and hot out, have the room so stuffy and then they'd realize exactly hew,,,,,feels that don't smoke, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 __ __ · ·4~· n: you want to punish then a bitt R: Yeah. R: It's just that when people smoke, I mean people can overeat and they're hurting no-one but themselves but when people snake it's polluting the air and we all have to breathe it and that's why, you know, people can have personal vices like drinking, too much or eating too much or whatever they choose but they shauldn't smoke and invade my space because I choose not to s~ke and air is there and it's for everyone and a few people shouldn't pollute it for all the people who don't want to pollute it. n: Vcl~ I think this is an area that we have certainly heard a lot about recently. This lecond·hand smoke or passive smoking, wn, is anybody not aware of that kind of discussion. ~The smoke that other people who do not smoke are effected by smoker's rrake? The second hand smoking irsue? Everybody is aware of thatl Is that a real issue, I mean is that really true? R: Oh yeah. R: I think it's coming up to be one of the bigger issues, yeah. R: Because women, they've studied women who's husbands smoke and they tend to live less or they develop these other things like cancer and heart trouble more than females who live with non. smokers, And pregnant women they're also raying, even if they don't smoke and their husbands smoke the babies can be affected from breathing their Lband's smoke. n: Uhere did you hear this informationl R: I"agazines, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·41- n: Agazines. 50 you think that passive snaking is I real issue? R: It's coming up to be yeah, i guess they need a lot more research on it though, but it Stuns like it could be~ n: how about somebody else. goes other people's sroke affect youl In a health sense? R: It gives me a hcadache~ R: Yeah, Il: I usually avoid them, R: Yeah, because my sister, Ii ke we have 1 nice clean apartment and brings him in and Illn and I'm not sleeping · I can just feel it, it just, it gets my head and the smell and I yell out ''Put that cigarette out" it's So bad, You knem, I've been in the house with someone Inking and the cigarette smoke isn't that bad but this one, I don't knew, It must be a really strong cigarette, It just bothers M and lomctirs my eyes, you know, water when they blow it around, H: So it does effect you to that extent? R: yes, n: I'm probably going to come back to that issue a little bit later on but let's get back to what we were talking about Just before this us there are other things like overeating, eating the wrong kinds of foods, the industrial and the conncreill pellutantl out in the cir, rherell drinking - how harmful is srwking within the context of all those thingst O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·~2· k:(Cont,) is it one of the m3re harmful things or less harsful things? How dots sln3king fit into all that in your opinionl R: to the person that is taking it or to the people that are all surrounding itl H: Let's start off with the smoke,, R: Wl th the smoker themselvesl H: What sort of risk is the smoker running in the context of, the broader context of things that can go wrong with yourlife? Il: It depends. naybe the smoker doesn't drink or doesn't take drugs or doesn't everett but smokes a lot, But if they combine all of it,,,, n: Where does the smoking fit into ail of that? R: Well, it could be equally Is bad as all the rest I would think, depending an how they use the others, how they mistreated the other ones, H: ,,,,,, how dangerous is smoking in the broader context? Hea Ith areasl R: I agree in 1 sense with what she is raVing because, and with saying that I think it has to do with houmueh you use certain things like, I don't knew ha, you can compare smoking with say drinking say if you only have a few drinks a week or less or whatever and what we were saying before about is it D,K, to have a few cigarettes. But smokers Lz Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 .43· R:(Cont.)when they smoke usually, unless there is the rare case of the weekend smoker or social smoker, they srJke all the tie. It is a part of thei r ii festyle and unless you're addlcttd to drinking alcohol or whatever and you use it in moderation, it might not be as bad, n: how about overeatingl Somebody who eh,onically overeats relative to srnkingl Which is more dangerous to him or herl R: I think it has a ~ulckar effect, overeating. n: overeatingl ii: Yeah. Veil it depends on whether re're talking about Over- eating or ray, bulinia type thing, where It's a real problem, whether it's overeating as in they just eat too much and their fat or whether · I rtill think that it has a greater efhct on you, I don't know why, I don't know all the health reasons involved but I think it would be. n: O.K. SPnebodyelJe? How about eating a lot of let's lay high fat feeds that raise the blood cholerteroi level, ~glycdd~l and that kind of thing? how dangerous is that relative to sakingl A: it's probably around the same, Since it does It affect the same areas like your heart, it has to pump the blood. It Is affected by both smoking and fat and it's both kind of slow, middlc·sgcd thing that comer to roost around that age. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 _1_ ·114 - R: ny supervisor last October or at the middle of last September I guess died very suddenly at the age of 44 from a heart attack and he ate a very high choiesterol diet and he smoked like a chimney and he was really overweight and I couldn't honestly tell you which, well I suppose his arteries, all four of his major arteries were clogged, I mean, no one could haul saved him if they had tried but someone like that just the culmination I think obviously was the demise of this Mn, Whether one affected the other and enhanced, which personally I believe bur I think that you set someone who has all thess problems and you can se thcmmanifated in their physipue and you see someone die very unnecessarily at the age of 46 jet because of the bad lifestyle. fhen you realits how much your eating habits and your smoking habits can really affect your life. n: But in combination you thinkl ii: Yeah, I think in this case it was definitely a combination, Just someone who lived a very carefree lifestyle, probably very decadent lifestyle I guess and the result was a very early and unnecessary death, R: 'Thar'E like my cousin. he had broken up with his wife, he was around 40 and he died of a heart attack and he was an alcoholic all ofa sudden and I think maybe he was depressed from being sway from his wife and getting divorced and all that, he was put away in a hospital or something. n: But you think it lead to alcohol, Excessive alcoholl Was he a sroker tool a: Hot that I know of. he night have been, but I don't recall El that he was smoking because there was very few in our family h) that smoked, But I guess maybe since he was always down O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 sg· R:ICont.lmaybe with so IhlCh alcohol it just, you know, his heart gave in, a; (vnclearl,.,lrresr as you were raying because unllsr you've been drinking for 1 white it's not going to affect you that badly, I think when you are depressed your body does react by being a little less strong, If you've been depressed a lot so you are more susceptible to certain things, n: That's another thing that smokers tell me is that stroking helps them get over depression or over stressful periods. Not necessarily disastrously stressful but day·to·day stresses and that um, ,....how do you feel about that idea? it's reasonablel R: That's weird. How can it make you get over it because it's always going to be there. like ii we have a problem, you smoke so you get over it as you smoke hut that problem is never going to go away until you solve it~ R: It might just cain it down a little hit, like they ray, lome· body said, it must be doing something to that effect, you bow, 50 a~ny kids they go and do an err or somrhing and they go out and they have to have~a cigarette before they do your exam jet to calm them down and afterwards they're all hyper or whatever again but at least, I think maybe that's why they continue, they know that once they have that one it night cain thee f01a little bit Of ein# and they know they can have another one as soon as they need it again. So it must he doing something to that effect, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 b6- R: But we all manage to survive the day·to·day stresses without cigarettes and I'm sure WI all know of people who have quit smoking and managed to survive the daily stresses of life without having a cigarette then as a crutch. R: But if we started ourseives,,.(tross talk) R: ,,,yeah, I think it's just an excuse. I mean, people justify drinking too much and people justify eating too much, well of course people can justify s~kiog. R: Maybe it's not really an excuse, it's a learned habit. And you associate certain things and come to really believe it, Just like in psychology, that's done all the tint. After youlre smoking the cigarette and you become more calmer, It's not the cigarette so much it's just the association and tim of the two processes, R: Sure, I agree. a; And that's what happens, I mean, and they believe it's the smoting but it's net, it's the association, that's causing the calmness or whatever they.~., n: i think that's very true because smokers have told me that as well, I guess when 1 was asking questions earlier on about what Is the difference between you guys and your peen who smoke, I was trying to get at some issues like that. How are you dPingl HOW do YOU get over Periods Of stressl What do you do that is different from lighting up a cigarette to face 1 stressful situation or to calm you down under certain circumstancesl C: I i I; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 __ .bf. a: Veil if I were depressed I like to sleep, R: he too, a: Yeah, 1 40 to sleep and I wake up and I feel a little better, But as soon as I start to feel down again I just go back to bed, a: But who's to say a saker doesn't sake 2 cigarettes and then go and sleep and do exactly the lame thing, They just have a couple of cigarettes before they go through something that you might go through. 'fhcy just happen to do it with a cigarette in hand, a: Yeah, a: But they pick that out as calming, a: \Je pick out our own little pills and say that worked for a, :: ay aot worie hut in their mind It did, a: I think everyone has their crutches no matter what, Somc- times I guess youlre not even aware of it and you use it, It's like a security blanket, It's probably the same as ssking with sakers, I'm sure there's, it's probably just something in their mind that it is, but It's there and they think of it and think "Oh, I've got to have 1 cigarette" because it's comforting for than, But it's psychological most 1 iicsly, n: Bu, hsvc'pu uupht punclf d~ing tnythirrl like thir - I know you don't sake but anything like this in a stressful situationl One for example, if youlre uncomfortable in IP sMlcbady's conpany, and ah, there's a silence or something O like thaj · rnDkan pllC11 I wuld light up, I've got Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·48· R:(Cont,)Samething to dot I could light up a cigarette!' How do you handle that sort of lituationl R: I say something. tlaughter) Il: Yeah, ii: Small talk, R: Smite or~ something, hopefully they'll react to it because most people have to react to a smile, R: Yeah, small talk and you leave, Il: But who's to say a smoker doesn't light up a cigarette and then lay "O,K,, now I can make small talk," I mean they might do exactly the same things, I don't believe that any of us go through any special motions. I think that cigarette smokers probably go through exactly the same thing but they Just do it with a cigarette in hand, It gives you I minute to think, you know, light up a cigarette and then you've get that moment there where you an think out the situation and all we do Is just think it out without the cigarette. R: Ebybe they are a bit more anxious than we are, non·lokers maybe or IMybe not, H: In the situation I've described with being uncomfortable in somebody's company or having a pause that is a gap, de you normally rate control of that yourself or do you wait for the other person to do itl A: I usually do it because usually when there is a gap you just have to ~nalt it, ID if you In that rm( of pcnon . it depends on the person, who it is. O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·49· H: How about you Jackie! R: I think it just depends, sometimes 1'11 say something and sometimes I won't, 1'11 just sit there and wait for the other person to do something. n: Has your attitude towards smoking changed at all in recent yearsl R: Yeah. HI Has there been any trend in your attitude towards smoking that you've noted? In the past 5 years? R: (Uncl ea r),,..worse, At fi rst when I was younger, I thought "O,K.",.,,.,"Hul, stop it" because it really bothers me and it's just getting worse and worse. I just.,~ n: Uhat's getting wonel R: fhe idea, You see so many man, when I was younger I didn't notice as many or I wasnlt, you know, so aware but now I see so much and I think "Oh, you know, what's the matter with these people, can't they set" and it's (unclear), you know, it's net good. R: So you are more weal now about it than,.,f R:: yeah, n: i think you told us before that everything was not good About it but is there anything in particular that bugs you the mostl a: I think just everl~hing all around. I think the thing that really shocks me a lot or stands Out a lot is the smell, the N arhrtays, and they sraake and they leave them in your house O and you've got to clean the, and you sell it. It just stinks g Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -50· R:(eont,)up the placc~ You're sitting there and you see it in the room, and you think "Ugh" and I nan thcy're just being disrespectful to you and you think "Oh", it really turn me off, R: I think I have def ini tely become much more mil i tant about it, I don't tolerate it at all, If I'm sitting in a restaurant and somebody in the next table, you know, just one example I can think of · there was a woman who was sitting with two other people and 111 three of them were rating and she was sraking between mouthfuls and I was just repulsed, I was very vocal and I told the waiter that I couldn't Sil there and watch this and I demanded on being n#ved and I won't go to a restaurant that smells of cigarette smoke because I think it is just ouch a repulsive way to have to cat a meal with such a vulgar overtone to it and I think ashtrays are smelly and I think it's just a dirty, vile habit and I don't want to have anything to do with it, R: Especially when (cross tat kJ,~ ,,people who smoke after they eat or before they eat or during they cat, like I don't know how they can sit there, you know, while they're eatin9l It is just disgusting, n: Vhat's disgusting about it? R: Well the way they have to bave something and then you're eating, next thing you know, they have a cigarette in their mouth, like it just doesn't mix, R: naybe it tastes good to thrm~ R: Sometimes I'd like to turn around and tell thcm'Would you mind to wait until I'm gone." O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 I _ ·51- n: So you're objecting to the appearance of somebody smoking? R: Right, Right, I don't know, just everything really, R: I think it's rude and I have told people "Donlt you dare light up that cigarette while I'm sitting here eating beside you, that's terribly rude". And I think it's just the fact that they wouldn't even think and that's just the thing · rckerr are Just so addicted and they don't realize it, and I can understand that to a certain degree but I'm just so offended that they would not even consider that I wouldn't enjoy sitting and eating while they're breathing smoke in my faee~ H: Vhat do you think has made you nore militant then in the last few yearsl Why the trend? R: I think I've just become more sensitive to it. Because I don't smoke and I live in my own home and no cigarette smoke is involved and there's no smoking in my Workplace that when I do become, when I do come in contact with it, you know, I can smell ashtrays from a mile way and I find that 1 very repulsive smell and I think probably I've just become so sensitive to it because it's not there all the time now, n: It was before though? R: Yeah, I think it tended to be. Haybe I just didn't concentrate on it but because I'm not around it I find it most offensive and I realize I have rights as a non-saker and I'm really speaking up hiving those rights. R: Also, it's dirty, Who wants to walk along the street and see all these cigarette butts all over the place. Or even ashtrays si tting there - you walk i nto some workplace and you see these O ashtrays if you're waiting for rwbody or ,olmthing. it's just Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 __ _ ·52· R:([ont,)very dirty I find. And thin are some people that are really addicted or just need one and go through the Irhtnyr or loMthing~ It looks disgusting hiving to have to go through that if you can't buy any, M: how about somebody over heret Is your attitude towards smoking changed It I11 over the last few years? R: Mine hasn't really I don't think, I think it's because I've been around it 111 my life beeause I'm not so strongly opinionated or against It, like, I personally don't smoke and of rourse I don't like it in the ii r In a spare but I suppose it's In acceptanee of it being around that I'm not so offended by smoking around ms because I have a sitter that smokes and a li~tst·in-l~w that smokes and my parents used to smoke so it's always been there from ons person or another and like, I agree with what Own was saying about hiving people around you smoking whi le you are eat ing, I would be offended by that. n: ~r what reason thsnl I: Becausel don' t apprctiata it, the smell, M: the Irlll I: yeah, mostly - when I'm eating. bnd people that I'm wf th are usually considerate and considerate in the way, if I'm sitting with them when thby'ra smoking I will then move the ashtral out of the way so the smoke's not blowing in my general direction or I'11 ask them to if it is and they don't reallte It. go people are usually considerate about it. H: This 11 your frlsndsl O ClibPDF - v~~fastio.soni ·53· a: Hnm. n: O.K, how do YOU guard against getting into a situation ray in a restaurant, where you don't really know when you are going in whether you are going to face this situation or not? R: Veil it lot of restaurants now have Smoking and Non·Sm3king, just have to say "Non·raaking please and if there isn't my room I'I1 wait," H: But 5 Years ago you didn't have that, R: No. M: What did you do in that lituationl R: I don't think I us so much - I~didn't really notice it so much, It bothered me but I thought there's not much you can do about it, But now there is the option of srmking and non·lrokinq sections so, you knew, n: I guess there's been a lot of publicity about sm3king recently. I ~n~ we talked about your own attitudes changing and so have other people's attitudes how it's changed, probably i n a more Pi i i tint di recti on in the las t few years, Uhat about the public It Iarga? ~at about the public st large is doing in terms of attitudes towards smokingl Becoming more tolerant or less tolerant or has It changed It alll R: A lot less tolerant, R: Yeah, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -51- n: A lot less tolerant, Why do you think that isl R: Because of the media - the scientific evidence that's been against it and then's more of a thing, you know, personal space, breathing space, nore emphasis on that, that you do have a right, Everyone is picking up on that, That they can say'no, I don't want you to smoke right now', i: Here of an awareness of health too, I think that,..~ A: ,,,,fitness craze,,., R: yes, n! fitness.~~..0oes anybody disagree with that? That the public is becoming more aware of health and socialogicat reasons (unctcar).,,against srokingl What de you think has been the major influence on the public's attitude towards smoking in recent ycanl you mentioned media and sorne publiations. A: I think the media probably is the number one' factor because if the media decided, well I personally believe that if the media decided that smoking was the most wonderful thing in the world and that everybody should smoke, ad they pubticited it enough, I think that a lot of people would start smoking, I really believe that the media has a lot of influence on society bu:;t the same tin three quarters of Canadians don't smoke and I guess some of those non·rmokcrr are in the media and the silent majortty is finally taking a stand and has let it be known that'they don't agree with it, And as roon as lornonr says "smoklng is nasty" then other people ~6~0 might have thought it and never said it out loud, might speak up and say '~eah, I agree with that" so I think it's just raised the awareness, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 L·_ ·55- R: naybe they have more evidence to point to. It's just not talking from personal opinion because you know, the doctors or whatevers paper or whatever (munbl i ng),,,,, ,or the ioronto Star or the Sun, H: no you think the public at large art aware·of those journals and scientific publications? R: Well theylre not but when they're published thev'ra kind of watered down they cone to the Toronto Star or to the Sun. n: So they do get to the m#dia'l R: Yeah. R: Maybe having a friend or being sick from something, from srmking related may be even a b~~ge: impact, What do you think about this lizl R: Veil, um, I suppose the public I guess you could say is becoming less tolerant and I guess that has a bigger influence on the smokers. n: What do you think though is the major area though, is it health area or is it a..,l R: Probably more of a health area because it's so' generally accepted that smoking and cancer are related but it's just that the Jmskcn don't want to believe it because the effects aren't so readily visible. you know if you're ssking now, It woo't affect you for another 20 years or so, so they really don't tt~lnk about it, Yhtreas with drinking or eating the cffactr P are more evident, O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -56- n: But do you think people Ire more aware of healthl R: ~nm, n: ,,.return a little bit, we discussed about this issue a bit before, and He are touching on it again now, I guess it's basically in the area of rights of non·smok~rs and smokers, You ojviously believe that you have some tight to your own space like ~..~,...wa~ raying and I think you told me puite clearly that you don't necessarily want that space invaded by smoke, How about smokers? What rights do smokers havel R: they have the right to choose, if they like to or not but I don't think they should have the right tol you know, stay with us ad include us as well but you can't say "No you can't smoke, it's nor tight", If they choose to fine, but there should be areas where they can and not include the rest of us who wish not to, R: I agree with her, You can't become all pk*Mtd Ifi~ 0Aer people's lives, they should have, like if you are working, they should have a certain area where they can smoke, You just can't battle the whole building. I've heard of 1 case in B,C, or somewhere /ike that where the owners of this big company banned Smoking everywhere and that's going a mite far, In my personal opinion, n: 50 that's infringing on their liberties is itl R: yes I think so, n: What do you think DeniJef Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -57· R: I think as long as it's not affecting the non·srokers air well it's O,K, for them to smoke, Because if you tell them not to smoke obviously they are not going to do what you are raying if they've chosen to smoke, 50 I think you should just give them a little area so they can smoke or something, R: I think it's the same as drinking and driving, I mean if you want to drink, that's your personal choice but then once you start driving, then you have a possibility of affecting other people and it's the same thing as smoking where there are no 9~c~4~4. if you smoke that's your business, like you know youlre affecting your health but why should you subject other people to harmful effects, n: How about you Dawn, what do you thinkl R: I have to agree with these girls, Evl~one has a right to do whatever they want to but as long as they don't pollute my space I don't care. They have every right to smoke. think that they, you know, have the right to smoke in the privacy of their own home so..~ n: ,,,but not yoursl R: Not mine. R: Vel I, they shout d ask before they 1 i ght up a ci garette, Say'buld it bother YOU" or "js it alright if I smoke", R: There are lots of nicC smokers, There are lots of people who ray "Do you mindl" and if you say 'Yrs I do mind" then they don't, it's Just that there are a lot of people who are,,, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 .58· R: Some might get offended when you say you don't want them.~~ II: So I think we all agree that smokers do have some rights but I think I'm getting the impression you're saying their rights come after yours. Really the onus is on them to conform to your, to observe your space first, is that what youlre sayingt R: Veil, we're not injuring them, wt're not hurting them, theylre hurting us. R: They should be considerate of us, H: O.K. Would you actively oppose the idea of banning smoking entirely in the same office building, kind of thing? R: Even though I'm a mititant non·srokcr I believe that people have the right in, and I think they should have a designated area, But it's, you know, you're getting onto any hot topic where you're totally banning anything anywhere. This is a society where we bye the freedom of choice, as long as we aren't infringing on other people's rights, R: Yeah, say like have a designated area, people might nor work as much. They night have to go for a cigarette every 5 minutes or raathing because there are people that chain smoke so maybe the work won't be done as quickly as it should be~ n: Right, R: But still maybe they,,,. L" Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·59· R: ihey usually learn, have the boss on your case saying you can't be going down to the snw,king area 15 minutes, They'd learn how to have a cigarette before they start work, once in the orning and once at noon, People can learn, we ate adjustable beings. H: I guess there are some groups out then both pro and con smoking or anti·rroking as well, Do you listen to or do you take notice of any of the proclamations of either of these groupsl R; I'm not aware of any really, n: D~K. I gurll rhat'l a rcasensdle ~ucs~ion. Are you aware of any, let's say, anti·lmo~ing groups that are making newsl R; Well isn't it an anti-smoking lobby that has pressured for the legislation and It's been accepted by the Toronto nunicipal Board or whoever it is that decides. So someone Is actively got into the political scene and saidwe want this stopped, n: Do you know which group that is? R: Nc I don't know anything about it. n: Anybody else aware of any organized group that Is saying smoking it, that it should be banned or smoking is not good for youl R: Well the Surgeon General says that smoking is not good for your health, ~ The CIIA also is getting I bit teaty about laaking~ C: I i I; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·60· n: Which Isl R: the OM, n: OHA, Art they publicizing anything? R: Ho, I think they object somewhat to advertisers who happen to make cigarettes, something like that and they want to put it up someplace and they Ire getting very angry and they wrote this very nas..not nasty letter but something like that, telling them that they did not approve of this. I read it in the paper recently, in the last Z weeks. H: Let's turn briefly again to the passive snaking or second hand smoke issue. I think virtually everybody said that 'Itr, there's some effect on me." OF "potentially some effect on me from other people's smoke", Do you really believe thatl Oo you really believe that you an be harmed by other people's snokel A: Yeah, n: Not everybody seems to be sure. How many do? Oh, I guess everybody. I just didn't hear it, the tape didn't hear you nodding, What do you think it's going to do to you, other people's smokel R: Ibybe your breathing won't 6a as good because whenever scme· one is close to me smoking, I start coughing and it gets me so angry because usually I'm not a very protestive-type person but it does get me angry and I want to hit then, I keep coughing. H: 50 it laker you coughl Anything tlsel Is it going to do anything elsel TU Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -61· R: ·It raises my blood pressure when people offend mt · smoking, But also, as I said before, you can see it in your nasal passages that if you've been in a room where there's been a lot of sskiog and stuff, it's there, you can see it so you know that it's got as far as your nose and you're sure that some of It has got to your lungs, R~ It i rri tates your eyes. I find that my eyes water and.,., R: ,,,,exwtly. R: ,,.and coughing and sneezing, I get i tchy in my throat. R: Sometimes you'll be in a room ~nere there's smoke and you come out and from head to toe you smell like snob. R: tcactly. That's terribly of feaive. R: Then I have to change clothes. n: But that one's offensive but it is not necessarily health threatening, R: well still i i you're sme Il i ng 1 i ke sm3ke, you cap smet 1 it into your nose. R: And if it permeates your clothes and your hair it probably permeated into the rest of your body as well, n: How serious again in a general context of the various things that we can do that are bad for ourselves, how serious is this second hand smoke issue in that contcxtl Like overeating, eating thewrong foods and drinking too nn~ch, to you personallyl Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·62· R: Probably nor as serious as something being directly taken in because it's internal then, This is only, it's being internalized but not directly as in smoking or as in alcohol, R: But at the same time it's a risk that we have all consciously decided not to take therefore it's not fair that we have to ingest somebody else's smokeand we have consciously decided that we don't want to be smokers, Because you can breathe as much cigarette smoke from a room that is heavily filled with cigarette smoke as if you were just sit there and smoke 5 cigarettes and,,.,,,health hazard,,, R: It depends on your environment too, R: Yeah, n: You laid it's not fair, do you mean that in the literal sense or do you mean it's harmfull R: No it's not fair In the literal sense as well, That I've made a conscious decision not to and someone else is going against mi wishes and if I can't escape from the smoke, here I am breathing the by·predutt of someone else's had habit and it's just not fair, R: ,,,,parents when I us younger who knows hen much guck I had in my lungs when I was small, Our place wasn't ail that big, she rat there all the time with her boyfriend and my brothers and sisters, Inating and I'm younger, breathing 11) this in, who knows how much i had in my lungs, You always see it in the air, it's so thick, it's obvious that it's there, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -6]· n: II this something that your parents were concerned aboutl R: Yeah, they didnlt, mil my father was but my Irpther was not. She thoughtloh, she's going to get it anyway, no ~tter where she goes people smoke, she's got to live with it,' But I'm a young little kid, parents may have no say and they're breathing all this in, you know, n: Dc you think a int of parents are concerned that way! R: I think some Ire, more now than before. For some reason I just think, people my parent's age seem to think differently than people now, people our age thinking about having Itids~ H: What's the difference? R: Well I think then, my parents and my nother's friends, they don't seem, they say 'Ylh, don't worry about it" and I think and even my brothers and sisters evtn though they smoke, they think differently. If I had a kid I would try not to snoke or I Would try to cut down but then I think it was not · maybe because they did not know so much then, they didn't think it was such a problem. Now we know more that it's a problem, we're mure aware that and we think we'd better watch out if we have children, n: We've talked a little bit, non wt know, how de we knowl R: Well because it's publicited, It's in the papers, You see programses about it and you hear cases then maybe you didn't hear as much, n: Are the newspapers, let's say the newspapers where wt see a let of it or in Pgatines, is that a really credible source ~P of information like thisl Q Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 __ · -61- R: So we bet ieve, n: Do you believe itl R: (Sounds like) So we betieve, R: Well the media is really the only place that you get information and if the media isn't credible then who isl I mean you can't believe everything you read or you can't believe everything you hear but people aren't going to go around publicizing things that are absolute garbage and study after study after study have been done, It's one of the most popular fields to be looking into, I think there's very graphic evidence myself that smoking is harmful to people and that it's harmful to fetuses, it's harmful to elderly people - it's not good for you, n: Smoking and pregnancy is k:other subject we touched on before, Is that a particular time of concern for snakerrl pregnancy 1 meanl a: I think it is, A lot of women tty stop ~roking or tty to as soon Is they find out, R: Because then are documented cases again, wry well, that cigarette smoking, women who smoke a lot, the babies tend to be quite I bit smaller on average than women who don't smoke, R: Is this something again that you've seen in the mediaf R: I've seen in the media, I've seen in scientific journals, I've been taught i t agai n in university, I think in the P education, I believe I was taught that in high school, O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 __· ·65- A: Yeah, R: In sex education. It's not good to smoke because the baby will be born, babies tend to be born smaller and they are addicted to nicotine, n: Velt I think most of you have some exposure to university or college or something like that, is college, mil let's start with high school, Has high school been a source of information to you on smoking? that kind of thing, You are saying sex education courses and let's say, ha there been a lot of information imparted to you It high school about smoking! R: I think it depends on what courses you tab. Sex education or home cc., neither one of those you don't get much inforr ation, R: But phys, ad, class, I mean, health, you know, R: Yeah but you don't have to take it. R: I never took it, a: I never had any Information in my high school. R: Probably in science classes you become aware of what it's going to do, R: And it depends on how, some schools, larger high schools maybe like they say, it depends on what class you're in, I was in a smaller high school · there was only like 250 students and there was often displays of drugs or smoking ,Ilould have cut outside in the h~llth~t the aursy4o I would walk by and b at least twice a year tLyld be about smoking and ollec a S~ year they'd he about every different thing · pregnancy and IV Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -66- R:(Cont,)stuff se it was realty good for us. It us a smaller school and we could see it more whereas in 1 larger school maybe they just.,,,, R: ,,,that could be my case too because I again went to smaller high schools and, you know, just in the education system to begin with, kids don't see chair teachers smoking because teachers go to the their teacher's room and do it, so it's something that I think, right from the beginning I think kids learn from home and from outside environmentr, I· don't think they, as far as, un, adult infl'uences go, I don't think they learn to smoke from adults at school, There may he more peer pressure there. n: This is the adults, like the teachers at school who are carrying the anti·~moking message in general or is it related specifically to courses you might takel R: I think i f the teachers do smoke they usual JY say it Is not good. They usually try to tell you that even if they themselves, they know that they made a mistake maybe and they shouldn't. They should be telling students not to~ n: .,..you might have been saying as well that the course you take might have some influence on the information you get abut smoking. R: Yeah, could be very true. How about univers i ty and col Iegel Is there informat ion imparted to you about Ilolting at university and collegel Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ___ .67· R: It probably dapandr on the courre that you spaeialfrs in, say in unrwnlly like you arl taking. But I think socially, smoking Is probably nora promoted In ~lvlrriq, Tharc's lots of placlr, you go to tha her, they hen, you kn~ bl~nr i, having I eeetiai and if you buy Brand X of bssr, Rothmans will ca around and givs you I frce packet of cigarsttcJ and thlla cig~ntte companial proate a lot of avents and things Iika that and I think that It univlrsity thay ty to sncoungs you to rmoke. You gel lilde pelnphietl wherejy you cln get I free p(cklt of DIM tobecco I rslablr fIon one if pu sand in the Ilttle thing, you kn~, So hers you get pur fraa tobacco · that's I kind of ago where thsy'n tying to Incraasa the markot. thsy want you, you'rs out of high school, now thly tan morally, without guilt, try to got you to start smoking. So I found on the university Iovll that It was gcarad, go for It.,, k: So tharl is rona sncouragement? R: Ylah, I think so, R: Just IJka It is with drinking. H: how Ibut, is thars any nlgatTva prcssurs on smoking? Any Intl·l~king afforts in univarsItyl R: I don't srr that. R: Oh, I think thra arc, I gutss, I think It thl Ilr tin alnlvarslty Isaplacl Ar Ixtr~l~ BI Cigarotta CqlPldl ~~1 thoy han IlccnsI to Jolicit pur bullnns It that pcint hut It tha II· tima plopla baform moro Idrcatsd lad 1 91111 ClibPDF - v~~fastio.soni ·L8 · R:(Cont,)you can learn, again, depending on what course youlre in, you're exposed to 1 lot more specific details, H: So you've got to gather these details in a course of study though? It's up to you to gether the detsils,~~l ii: Yeah, I think if you happen to be in the right place at the right time then you are going to be exposed to a lot of things that will enlighten your ideas of smaking~ R: Well i n our cl ass roam you are not allcued to smoke, It tells you not to snPke and eating, no drinking. When you are outside that's a different thino, like in the halls there's lots of smoking and that. Certain areas of the school that you can't smoke, that's kind of anti·laking, n: We've sat several areas here. We'vc·got the media, we've got doctors.,,how many have heard that people's doctors have said '"(ou shouldll't be smoking" or "Congratulations, you're a non-smoker"l Has anybody's doctor not said thatl R: hi ne never sai d congratulations, (Laughter) Asked "Are you smokingl" and I slid "No." and that's it, n: O,K. 50 there's the physician, there's the media, there's the high school propraalcounes and possibly some university either study or otherwise publicized snti·lalring areas, Which of there would be the most influential as far as youlre eenccmedt Which would help to formyour opinions about not saoki ng, arel R: Well, the media of court. R: physicians I eurgecmsl O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ··_ _~____ ___ · .69· R: I think that university and high school because it's so much peer pressure, In high school there's I! lot of anti-smoking although then are, you know, many people that do smoke but your teachers and everybody, in my experience, who are 50 adamant about it and you knhu, really bcline what they are telling you, and then you go to university and there's again a whole different peer pressure because you know it's time to try rmokingi'try to start and theylre trying to stroke you into lighting up that first cigarette. So I found both of those places a great influence, although I did make my decision based purely on physical reason um, I can see people being pulled in a lot of different ways. n: how about you Lirl Vho did you think would be the major influence on? R: I would say probably the media, like, for both ways. For smoking and against it, Cause there's always the ads for smoking, They bye glamourous women in their scquin gowns smoking away, that gives a very glamourous side but than on the Other hand youlll have, there's so much publicity about medical reports and you know, about how harmful smoking is for you, I'd say that has a great influence on people. ree~ls tend to put a lot of'faith in the nrdia - pretty well believe what they Jee publicized. n: Fine, Anybody elsel R: They've taken II lot out of those magazines nw~ You don't Ice as many ads any more. And even on TY ncv they don't advertise smoking at al'l, a: A lot of (cross talk),,,, O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 _ __ .70· R: Yeah, on N that's a drinking, like you sec, like they don't drink they just Lour the beer but you donlt, you always see non·srokinq ads. Health, to your health.... Mgazines I don'tl I haven't seen a cigarette ad,., R: I still see SLIM. R: I think it's mostly the american magarines that you are reading that have · not the Canadian. I havenlt,.~ Canadian Inagalines I don't sec any ads any mon, Because they're really strict on that now. R: I agrcr·wiih that, Do you think that's a good ideal R: Sun, ihat way, well it's not good for the magaline in a way because they need the advertisement, that's the way they make money. It's flood for the non·sm3ker, not R: it' geor the person who doesn't smoke, it's not oJly for them because they already know that theylre not going to smoke, But for the ladies coming up, the young girls coming up, because thay're the ones that are smoking so much more than the men, The men are stopping, women art.,,, On this advertising issue that Vicki raised, all of the same mind as you sly there should be designated area for smokers in the workphcs, is it reasonable to ban cigarette advertising or restrict it in any wayst Don't they have I right to advertise their wares as welll R: Oooh, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·71· A: I find that saters don't teally care about the ads toomueh, You know, they sake, what do they Pre them and,,,, R: There Ire certain products in this world that people are going to buy whether they are advertised or not and I don't want to go into the details of them all (laugheer) but cigarettes and booze included, They don't have to advertise to have PMP1e1s business although advertising does again, I ran He get into what advertising is all about - it enhances someone's image and tries to hit a certain market and.~~.. H: That's another session in itself, R: Yeah, R: I think they're trying to get new smokers, They're not trying to get the old ones, 'Theylre trying to get the new, young ladies coming up · the young girls, fhey're not after the old person It 30, Theylre after the 1~ year old, R: Right, R: gut theyllt never admi t to that, Ibrally youlre not supposed to solicit people sralring until you know they're 18 years of age or whatever · the unspoken, unwritten rule kind of thing I'm lure, A: It's airolt, isn't it illegal to smoke under the age of 181 R: I think it's under 16 · you're not supposed to be able to buy cigarettes, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -72· R: R: They aren't supposed to sell you them. They have been banning · some stens don't sell anybody that's under R: That's become relaxed too, I can remember when I war younger that like "Dh, I can't 90 and get them I'm not old enough.". But now it's like, you see so many young people in there buying them, But the stores of eDIPSe it's getting the money, R: This is like drinking, People are going to drink under age but maybe if they enforced a law like that, you know, It's probably better if you fan keep young people from smoking It last until they making a derision for a much more intelligent reason than because Johnny next door smokes and he lays if I don't smoke he's going to beat me up. people can not smoke until they become of age where they can really and truly make an intelligent decision about it as opposed to something for any other reason, If you have a society full of people who are smoking purely because it's their right and they choose to do so, then youlre O.K, As long as you've got everybody doing it for the right reasons I guess. n: So shouldn't they manufacture cigarettes and have the right to communicate with these people. At least cwrmunicate the brands. R: Well they can through pubtici~ed media but they can't voice or visual media, television and stuff like that, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·71- FI: I think we've covered m~lt of the things I wanted to talk about. thank you very ouch. pi O P O 1U O \C 0 9 IrJ Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111