~fs O Q O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 8'eav I n,2ODP Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 Client: Imperial Tobacco Job r: 203-850 Group: 1- Felnale Constant Smokers Date: May 28/85 - 9:30 a,a. Mod: B, W, Crosby M: Val, you're smoking,,,l R: Belvedere Light 1001s, &: When did your smoking career begin? R: Sixteen, when I started smoking DuE~aurier,.. M: How Inany years agol R: Ten. I started s~okilg D~h~aurier, then I quit and then I started again and f started DuMauriec aeain ad then r smoked Belvedere Extra Light for a long time,,, then I switched from them to Peter Jaekson, Then when I got pregnant I switched to Peter Saekson Extra Extra Light and then, after I had the baby, I went to these, I: So you've had a fairly uninter.Ypted history of smoking:, You haven't stopped for periods of time...? R: Just, when I was 17, f ~uit for a yeat, M: Karen, how about you~ R: f started smbking when I was 14, which is 15 and some years ago, I smoked menthol, Ilpine.., ·P Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·2- M: You smoke Viscount now? R: Yes, I went up to the stronger ones, to Players Filter and Export A~ I smoked them for about 8 years and then f decided to take a lighter cigarette when they started coming out with the lighter Srands,,,and now I'm down to Viseount cause they're 4,04 but I'd smoke another brand if there was that low,., M: luhat Viscount is that? R: Regular, They don't put very good tobacco in it, The other day one broke and there was a big hur~ or' wood in it Md I tho~t, o.i God, I'3 ~nnaking t~atl M: You should send that back to the company, R: But r don't have any address to send it M: Why lid you move to lower brands! R: Coughing too much, M: And is your cough improved? R: Yes, Let's put it this way, If I can'tgetthese, r'll bay Players and then the next day I'11 notice that r bought Players, M: lorraine,,,? Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 .jl R: I smoke Export A, I'm sloking hers, My boyfriend has mine outside, M: When did you start snaking them! R: Thirteen? M: what braaC~ R: I was smoking my mother's Du~u~ier, M: Eve you been smoking ever since:, R: Yeah. M: Bow old are you now! R: Twenty, M: Bave you ever made any attempt to cut dawn or to stop? R: I ~tlit Ear nine months once, when I was pregnant , M: Why? R: I don't know, I just felt it was better for the baby, M: What were the circumstances around your starting again? R: I just started smoking again after r ~O had the baby, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 _ _· M: So you deliberately stopped · were you advised to do that? R: Yeah, my doctor told me that r was smoking too much, M: And did you, like Karen, notice any particular change when you st'opped smoking or not? R: r felt a lot better, M: In what way~ R: Well, r didn't always have a cigarette in my hand and r could do things,,,usually, if I have a cigarette in my hand, I fumble and get clumsy when I'm trying to do some- thins , M: But in terms of feeling better - in what way did you feel better? R: I didn't cough and stuff like that! M; You cough nowl R: In the night, M: But at the moment, you're quite relaxed about your smoking I you're not attempting to stop! R: No, O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -5- M: Bow about in your case, Rochelle? a: I started when I was in Grade 7, 12 or 13. r started then: I'm 22 now, f: started with Export and then, it was too strong and I went down to Vantage and Craven A and then a friend gave me a DuMausier and I started smoking DuM~urie~ Lights for the longest time, for two or three years, And then when this new cigarette came out, Avanti, r started them and they're law tar nicotine, more licht. M: Are they? a: They're a very good cigarette. M: what was the main reason that you switched from Duflacrier to Avanti! a: well, to tell you the truth, the package was just right there, it was kind of interesting and r always like to t-"I new cigarettes, so r tried them cause r was smoking htYauriet~ Lights I I tried the lights and I also compared them with the tar pnd nicotine of OuKaurier and they were much lighter and I smoke a heUcf a lot of cigarettes a day. So I don't want to smoke all that. M: Bow many do you smoke a day? Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -6- R: 'Around three packs a day. M: How many do you smoke a day, Laura? R: Two packs, Val? R: One and a half, M: Karen? R: Two large, M: Mary, you were eonrmending Aventi as a cigarette - what brand do you smoke now? R: I snitch between Winstons - that's an pjPerican brand and S~ort A Extra Light and there's quite a difference, M: In Export A Extra Light? RI As far as tar and whatever else it is,,, they don't feel that stronger but, to me the Export A tastes stronger, M: How old were you when you started smoking? R: Eleven, T'll be 24, M: Have you smoked uninterrupted,,,? R: I've never quit. I never attempted to quit, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·7·- M:' You never wanted to,,, R: No, M: Rave you ever made any attempt to cut down or to go to a lighter Stand, say or not particularly? R: No, I don't think so, never smoked any- thing light, except Export A Light, which ~I just recently started smoking, M: Gall, how old were you when you started? R: Eleven, aSsol I'm 26 now, i can't remember what I started smokine...I can't believe all these people can remember, M: Let do you smoke now? R: Players Light and I did smoke Plaiters Regular at one time, M: Did you smoke Players Regular ilrmediately before Players Lightl R: Yeah, M: Can you think of what made you switch? R: I think I just tried them by chance and they tasted pretty well the same as Players Regular so I didn't see any reason to keep smoking the heavy ones, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ,g. M: How many do you smoke a Bay! R: About 10, M: That's not packs,., R: No, n: The other Karen,,,l R: 1: started smoking when I was about 16 yeats old and i started smoking DuMaurier Special,H~ild 100's,,,I've only smoked two brands of cigarettes in my life and I now smoke Benson and Iiedges [Tltra Deluxe, M: Extra Li~ht~? R: Ultra Deluxe - they'rs extra big. M: How much do you smoke a day! R: About a pack, M: Did you ever go through any period of stopping or cutting dawn? RI Yeah, I did, I tried for about three weeks and then I was back smoking again, M: Did you have a particular reason for trying to do that? R: No, I Ms just coughing a lot and e Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -9- getting sore throats and that's about it, My doctor advised it cause I was wheezing.,, R: what doctor doesn't advise it! M: How many people here have been advised by a medical person to stop smoking,,. six out of nine, R: f used to smoke Players Regular and my doctor never advised me, But I used to wake up in the middle of the night with caughiag fits that were amazing, And I used to cough something that came out of ny lungs that was worse than the blab, So I switched from Players to Belvedete, M: But now you're on Winston and Exaort A? R: Yeah, well I lived in the States for a while so I've also smoked Camels and Lucky Strikes, which were the strongest available American cigarettes you could buy, M: Ileidi, how old were you when you started? R: Sixteen, M: And what do you smoke now! R: Players Extra Light, C: I i I; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -10- M: Tell us a little bit about your history? R: Started at 16 at stunner school, just bunrmilg cigarettes, no particular brand, I switched a lot, Then I smoked Export and then Duhurier and then Players. M: Eow many a dayl R: Thirty - just over a pack, M: Do you remember the very first cigarette you ever had? R: Yep - this is dumb, I was smoking it in the bathroom, blowing the smoke out of the window, cause I wanted to practice so r wouldn't cough. M: This was at home or at school? R: Yeah, at home, M: Where did you get the cigarette? R: From friends, Friends started passing them out and I thought, well this is cool and f'd cough and make a fool out of myself, so I bunaned one and I'd go home and I'd practice smoking, R: I lived on a reservation and I used to go tar a~ay in the hushes with my ~3 " Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·II- friends and one of the boys, his dad owned a store, so he used to steal cigarettes and cigars and we'd be out in a little crowd, we'd be breathing the smoke so it wouldn't go up to the bushes,,, Then I started, when my mother was out, I used to steal her cigarettes and I'd be in my bedroom and T'd pull out the air freshener.~~ M: So, in both your cases, it was the influence of friends around you, It just seemed a natural thing to do, R: Me too~ R: My parents smoked, so I figured I had to too, R: Mine was selfldefiancel I left home when r was id, so my father never let me snx,ke sc,,,T just started, M: What was there About smoking that made it seem like a cool thing to do! R: Everybody did it, (Plural) RI All the cool kids, R: And everybody said you weren't supposed to do it, R: Adults did its So if you smoked, you were grown up, i, f~ Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 _ ~__ R: Everybody thought cool people did it, so if you did it, you were cool too, R: you know what i find non is, when you see an 11 or 12 or 13 year old smoking on the street nov, it looks very funny to me, R: it does look funny, yeah, R: They don't' hide like we did, R: They stand out there, being so cool. P.: i~nd it looks so funny to me. 4: i was at the beach last week and I thought the girl was only about B or 9 years old and here she is puff ing away · she might ~Eve been 10 or 11 but, she's sitting t~ese puffing away,,,I: would never have done that in public.,, E!: when you say it looks funny, can you elaborate on that? R: It just doesn't look right far a girl that young to be having a cigarette hanging out ai her mouth, I guess it's considered an adult thing to do, is to smoke, You don't see very many children smoking, R: Now you do, II: Nor people are health-conscious, right? Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -13- M: Suppose an adult were to have seen each of you when you were exPerimenting with smoking, would they have the same attitude then as you have now? R: Oh, I'm sure. R: I actually remember once being at the Science Centre with a group of friends smoking outside the front door and this group of older people walked away and they were in shock, They were just, you know, being ridiculous but, yeah.,,I can't renerJ3er if they actually approached us but they were completely floored that we were smoking, M: How old would you have been at the tin~e~ R: Grade seven - I was 11, M,, ~d today, is it still cool for a youngster to smoke? Would you imagine they think that or not? R: Yeah, (~!ural) R: I:'cbink it's 50/50, because more people quit these days and there's more of that example, Like something like only 30 or 401 of Canadians smoke now, R: Yeah, a lot of people are quitting, ;5 Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 M: So maybe it doesn't have the same attraction,,, R: It doesn't on my sisters, My sisters are 16 and 1( ad neither one of them smoke. Neither one of them are even tempted to smoke, They have friends who smoke but they don't smoke them. They're not interested, They see my father - he smokes four packs of cigarettes a day, They see him cough himself into a fit. So they don't even take up smoking, They don't want to, R: Iiave you ever seen that sign from the Canadian Cancer Society · it says smoking is glamorous,,,I remember that sign for about lj years,,, R: There's another one with a man on it and his eyes are down here and he's got a cigarette hanging out of his mouth.., R: And his hair's a!! sticking out,,, R: Wa used to laugh at that, We didn't think that it was very funny, that it was funny, I mean, R: Now they show more realistic pictures of cancer victims and it's all a thing to get you to cult, W: Coming back to that kind of sign, Mary, O you used to think it was funny - is it O funny! Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -15- R: No, it's not funny cause smoking is a very dirty habit and I knowthat it is, 1'31 tell you something, the girl that f live with quit smoking a year ago today and she still has cravings to this day but since she's been off smoking, she's put on 75 Founds and there's no way on earth, because I'm dieting right now that I'm going to quit smoking, cause if I didn't, I wouldn't know what to do with my hands but stuff my face, F.: That's very true. ~ R: Rnd people say, oh, it's not true, you won't eat, eat and eat if you quit smoking. I know the perfect example · 75 pounds is a lot of weight, That's like when I was pregnant, r auit to an Extra Light and I was only smoking five cigarettes a day - that's all I:was allowed. Ii I smoked any more, my husband,,,, anywayl.I put on 35 pounds when I was pregnant , 9: When I was pregnant I put on 50 pounds, cause I wasn't smoking and r was just stuffingmy face, I was in the refrigerate: all day, X: Rnd even though you say to yourself, you should have carrot sticks or fruit or B Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -16- something like this, if it's not there you go to something else because you've got nothing to do with your hands, You're so used to smoking, R: r was living in a girl's home at the time and I used to open their iiridge and make all these sandwiches, I'd go sit in front of the TV out like this.,, R: r couldn't fit in a public washroom,,, I'd be stuck,,~I'd use the wheelchair washrooms . M: Miche!le, we haven't heard from you,,, DuMaurier Special Mild · that's what you're smoking now - when did you start smoking? R: About 14, 13 or 14, For 12 years, R: And did you de a lot of switching over that period of time? R: A little bit, I think we started with Players Plain and that was way too strong, You get dizzy and everything else from that, P:om then, we went to Belmont, I believe it was at that time and then it was either Dt~ude~ and then Export A and you'd change every once in a while and then, for about 6, 7 years now, I've been smoking Du~uricr Special Mild and, actually, r have purchased the Rvantis as well and r will switch between those, once in a while, O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -17- g: Who makes Avanti! a; DuMaarier. M: Is there anything unusual about Avanti! a: Yeah, they are a slender cigarette. They're a lot more slender than the regular cigarettes, M: You noticed that right awayl a: Oh yes, they are a woman's cigarette, definitely, M: Did you notice it before you opened the pack:, R: I never noticed that. a: No, I didn't. A girlfriend of mine actually mentioned it to me. She offered me one and that's how they are, a lot more slender, M: Does it say on the pack that they're slender! a: No, a: It says 20 slim cigarettes, a: I never Ilotieed, a: f tried them, Avanti 1001s, a small pack 9· Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·18- but I didn't find them as satisfying as this, even cut: down my urge. R: r find them almost equivalent to Belmont and DuMaurier Special Mild, in flavour~ M: When you first started smoking, can you recall that first experience! R: well, it was peer pressure again from kids at school and it was always in the back of the schoolyard,,lthe first time was in the park with everybody after school and that sort of thing and then I was given a package of cigarettes by one of the girls who had stolen them from her father and I used to hide them in the dowr.; stairs bathroom of our house, where nobody ever went; it wasn't really used, and I would stand on top of the toilet and blow it out the window too, like everybody went through and then, evefitually, you start buying your o9n.~~aetunlly, know a few people who are in the midst of quitting smoking because of the price of cigarettes right new,,, R: Where we live, in Cabbagetown, there's a Store right around the corner from us and they're asking F2,60 for a pack of cigarettes, R: $2,94, I: paid,,, R: mey'se going to be over $3,00 by the i3 time the tax.~. O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·19· R: It's cheaper to go to Buffalo, I smoke Fmerican cigarettes, M: On the subject of price, what effect does it have? R: Very tempting to make you quit, If you smoke 365 days a year and yculre paying $3.00 a day, at least · some people pay more,,,you can save yourself a couple of grand a year, R: Yes, my husband and I, we're seriously thinking about quitting, both of us because of the price of them, M: ~ore because of price,.,.? R; Than anything else, Because we just bought a house and we just can't afford it, not at $2.60 a pack and both of us smoke and he smokes two packs and r smoke a pack.,~that's a lot of money, R: I'd spend my last money on a pack of cigarettes, R: I have a jar where I put my pennies,,.~'ve gone out.., R: With pennies, R: I,lf spent all my pennies for one pack of cigarettes, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ~__ ._ -201 a: I've taken it OPt Of a daUghter's piggy bent, I: What are sow of the other things that you do with IOP1Y Or 1 sort Of day-to-day basis - ebioPlly food and things 11k1 that..,what are some other pleasures that IOP spend money on! a: Ligor, which has just been taxed again, a: I went to the liquor store yesterday, I was going to hoy a bottle for my boy· fsicnd~ The sign's right on the door · closed till 2;00 p,p. due to price increase, They were pricing all the bottles over, Tbs sign's right there and I'm pushing the door and the gny's in there - I'm wondering why he's in t~sr~~~~I look and say, oh my god, the prices are going crazy - Db PT1~1~ P: And the beer jolt went np too, I: Lt other things do you spend anil on tkt are not absolutely essential? a: My ur, gas jost mt op, 1: Lwurp, a: It's essential if you live in the boonies, P: eausa I live way'out in the bopnies. ClibPDF - v~~fastio.soni ·21- M: Bow about movies or things like that? R: Me, i eat out. Rnd I've got food in my friCEe~ R: Constantly, R: when you think of ways of spending discretionary money, ,, R: That you don't need to spend? M: ~lapbe you do · it's not going to affect your life, necessarily,,,let's say you start cutting out things, you don't go to a movie,,,what is the last thing you would cut out! sow important are cigarettel! R: Very, (Plural) M: Compared to other things,,, R: Just think of any really stressful situation like arrest or ticket or accident or anything like that,,,you want a cigarette, you realty want a cigarette, R: You have a fight with your boyfriend or your husband,,, R: Oh, we sit there, we argue, have a discussion and 1'11 be smoking one right after another and he'll be getting mad I you're smckinS all my eigarcttes,,,~ just smoke like crazy, O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -22- M: Does anyone disagree with that? R: I disagree. M: In terms of things you could do without,,, R: The only thing that I think that I could do without that I sped money an is my pedicures and my bikini wax. That's not definitely essential, M: Is there anybody that things cigarettes are not as important as other things? B: I: don't, R: . b're talking hard-core smoker,,, R: That's probably why, r sometimes smoke more than that a day, but I can also go a day without cigarettes, no problems, M: So you would give up cigarettes before you would give up other thingsl R: You're talking to a person that's not addicted to it, R: Yeah, r don't think I'm addicted, I guess, I always feel also that, if I'm really down for a cigarette, T'll find sdmebody that has one. Like, I feel no problem to ask somebody at the next table in a restaurant for a cigarette, O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·23- R: Oh, I do that too, on the street. R: I always feel that I can't, R: Even if I'm on my way to the store to get a pack,., R: Most people, if you're a woman · most people, if they're men, if you ask them, sure,,,want a ride,,, A: Not me, I'1Z die for a cigarette before T'11 ask anybody, R: Or in a bar · excuse me, do you have an extra cigarette, I'11 Stand there and light it for you and hold the ashtray too,,, R: It's almost like I'm em5arassed for other people to know that I smoke, Because of all this friction about smoking, Especially if you go into a restaurant and you happen to sit - there's no tables in the smoking section and you happen to sit in the no-smoking section and you say, can r, have an ashtray! He says, no, this is a non-smoking section, I say, then give me a smoking section, then, Because, you're sitting there, it's after a meal and, Sust about everybody here, I'm sure, after they have a good meal in a restaurant, they want to sit dewn and have 4 cigarette. and they happen 51 Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -24- to sit you in a no-smoking section and they didn't ask you bcforehc~l.,~it just about freaks you out - well, we've got to leave right now and have a clgarette~ You know, you can't enjoy yourself, R: You know what else r: find - I was working a little while ago and I got interviewed for the job and they sent me in for a second interview and that was find and then they hired me,llI went in the first day and was sitting at mit desk, r was veq nervous and r said, I don't suppose there's an ashtray around here and they said, didn't anybody tell you this is a non- smoking office? And I went, nobody told me that this was a non-smoking office, So even time I would 50 to the bathroom, I would have a cigarette, which I didn't run every ten minutes or anythin~.,~once in the morning, once in the afternoon and then I started getting in trouble for smoking in the bathroom, So it was like, you couldn't smoke in the building, and that's very hard for someone who smokes two packs a day, to not be able to smoke all day long, I really don't think that's fair and f hear they're trying to pass a law saying that you can't smoke where you work, R: Really.~, ·~ R: And I don't think that's fair because, I Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -25- realize that: non-smokers have their tights but smokers have their rights too, M: Is that one of the reasons you left that job? R: These was a little bit of friction, I guess. Plus, f wasn't as qualified - I'm a book)ceeoer and I was hired to do collections. M: Let's talk about the rewards of smoking,,, R: There are none. X: I disacree. M: You disagree? B: Oh yes, very satisfying after a meal,,, tnps It off jurr lice. M: What is it that's satisfying about it, Karen? R: Relaxing, I guess. You just sat back after a great steak and a battle of wine,,. ahhhh, R: blicotine is a stimulant I it's like taking caffeine, R: It's a depressant. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -26· a: It's a simulant, a: That's what I thought - it was a stimulant, R; Do you know what it is? M: I'd like to hear what you think, R: I think that it's a stimulant, a: That's what they say it is. Although I find it relaxing too, a: Well, alcohol is a depressant, a: Nor it's a stimulant first, then it turns into a depressant, M: Do you agree with Karen's statements, Heidi, about it being relaxing after a meal? a: Yes, even though it's a stimulant, it's add because it is relaxing just to sit down and have a cigarette, or if you're under a lot of stress, I find it relaxing then toe, M: In what way is it relaxing? a: r: don't know, I really don't, R: I think It helps you enjoy youP·ral more, f~ Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ---~ ·27- for some reason - you know you had a Food meal and you enjoy your cigarette afterward, a: I fit i: necessary in social situations, Like, ii I'm out with friends or in a bar or something, that's the only time that I really crave a cigarette, M: ~d what role does it play, Gall; in those situations? R: Well, I guess it gives me something to occupy my hands with, So I'm not just sittinc, M: You could do something else with your hands.., R: In a Szr? M: why do you have to have something to do with your hands? A non·smoker is sitting there, ,, R: Drinking more, R: No, they're t~licking your lighter and playing vith your cigarettes and they're twirling the ashtray, and you're going, take up smoking, R: Chewing a straw,,, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -28- R: The girl I live with, she's quit smoking, I'11 lay a cigarette down on the table and she'll go (sniffing sounds) and I say, what are you ~oingl Nothing,,,there's another girl that lives there and she goes, she's sniffing your cigarette, She sits there over the ashtray going (sniffinF sound) ,,, R: A lot of times when I'm at a bar and I'm drinking · you light your cigarette and put it down - I turn around and I take the cigarette and r put it in the wrong way,,,or you light the filter and it smells and everybody just looks at you,,, M: What does smoking do for you, Eliehelle! R: Well, I quit about two years ago, f went through the Smokender's Course and I quit for about 9~ months and I started again aroun~Qristmas time, being with friends and that sort of thing and being in a bar situation and wanting to have some - and actually, the smell, r mean, you're addicted to the nicotine and it's very hard to get it out of your system and f still know people that have quit for 10 years that still, every once in a while have a craving for a cigarette and it's the nicotine addiction that they are still craving for, It's basically having swnc- thing to do with your hands in a bar, but half the time with me, I pick up a Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·29· cigarette and not even realize f picked it up~ It's just such a natural reaction, If pu're on the phone, r guess you affiliate a lot of things with it - when you're on the phone you pick up a cigarette or if you're reading, you pick up a cigarette, If you're at the office and you're working, you pick up a cigarette, if you have' a coffee · a lot of it is association, R: I've sat t~re and lifted weights with a cigarette hanging out of my mouth, R: I ride my bike, I've got a 10 speed and I ride it all the time but I just: smashed it up · a car hit me and,,llooks kind of stupid, someone riding their 10 speed and you're supposed to look like ycu're in fitness or something and you've got a cigarette in your mouth, M: In the Smokender's Course, what was their approach? R: Actually, it was funny, at that time, I went with my boyfriend who really wanted to quit because he had asthma and his doctor told him that you have to quit because of this and it was a free introduc- tion to Smokender's to listen to them, So I went with him as moral support and I had no intention of quitting whatsoever, I said J enjoyed IrYoking and that's all "O there was to it, And r was the one who O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·30- joined and he di~n't~ tie didn't end up going, With him I think it was the money, ,, RI How much do they charge for that program? R: Sj00, R: There's another program called why Stnokel It's the same as that · it's only two hundred and something, The girl I live with, that's what she did, a: That's probably the reason why they don't get a lot of members joining is because of the priee~ what is their approach~ a: They pretty well explain to you the good things and the bad things ~about smoking and they don't tell you too many good things, A lot of it is common sense that we really don't think about. Like, the girl who was speaking, she smoked about four packs of cigarettes a day - she would even have an ashtray in the shower,,, they explain to you what's so good about coughing and feeling the way you do and if you had too many Cigarettes the night before, if you've been drinking or somel thing like that, the feeling you have the next day and that sort of thing s0r ·P they go through a lot of that and really O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·_ ·31· telling you that you really don't want to smoke, Like what normal person really wants to deteriorate their lungs? It's a lot of logic and that sort of thing, R: Do they make you change brands? R: Yes, they go through that aPproach and they give you a choice, A lot of it is self·awa:eness. You have what they can a smoker's pack you wrap around your cigarettes and it's got all little marks and times where you actually mark in every cigarette that you have and when you had it and how many you have in that hour and you can really chart your stressful points or' your day or whatever, And, also then they go into - I can't remember the name of it - where you have to wait 15 minutes after you have' a coffee or 15 minutes, ,, R: Before you go to bed:, fl: Yeah, and that sort of thing, Thee, it gets to the point where you either have a drink or a cigarette or you can't have both together, You can either have a coffee or a cigarette,,.actually, what they're doing is reducing your nicotine level and, from there it gets to the point where they tell you what day you'~e going to puit from and you have your last e Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -32- cigarette, you throw it away and that's it, The next day there is no craving for it, So there is that and I can remember, the next morning I didn't have a craving for it and I went fine for nine months and then,,, N: TheH're trying to break dawn the familiar associations,,, R: Exactly, And then, when I've tried to quit since then, f think it was last year some time, on my own, I lasted maybe three days, And what was the occasion on which you went back to s~kiag - do you remember the specific instancel R: Yeah, I was in a bar with my girlfriend and I had just broken up with my boy- friend and it was a stressful time for me and she was smoking and, it was just being in that atmosphere, feeling nervous and uptight and all of a sudden, I took a cigarette but, I took a drag off her cigarette rather than taking a whole one at first - it almost knocked me over, Like, the smell of it was nice and evary- thing else but, actually taking a drag off the cigarette, I became very dizzy and everything else and that was it, It stayed in the ashtray or I: held it in my hand and I didn't actually smoke it, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·33- And then, eventually, doing that more often and more often, youlre right back into it anyway. M: Rocher!e, in your case, what are the positive aspects of smoking? R: I don't eat when r smoke and it's good for stress as well, I'm under a lot of stress right now, like when I'm fighting with my boyfriend,..r'll just smoke and it's better than punching out a wall. n: So, to a number of people, it assists you in coping with stress,,,are there other aspects that are positive? R: Just stress which you didn't stress tight now, is the not eating, One of the main reasons I smoke is to keep my weight down, And r know it's like that for a lot of people, especially women, M: it would be much more difficult if you didn't smoke? pi That's night, cause I wouldn't know what to do with my hands, I would tend to eat. M: What did you do with your hands before you smokedl R: You were a little kid and you played with tinker toys. Or you were out in the O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -3P~ playground doing things, R: r think smokers might just have higher energy levels than ether people, to begin with, because a lot of very high energy people will smoke, R: I've also noticed that a lot of people who don't smoke are very hyper people, M: Why do you say that? R: I have 2 very close friend of mine,that doesn't smoke and has never smoked, but I just notice that the girl is so hyper all the time, It's amazing, And every once in .a while, Ehe'll take a ciga;ette out ai my package and she's never smoked, she just holds it there and looks at it and pretends like she's going to light it and then she puts it down again, And I just often wonder if it would be better for her if she smoked. M: r wader if it would be? R: I don't think, as far as healthwise, for your lungs,,,it'd just shut bet up, She's 50 nervous, M: I wonder if smokers are innately different froi non-smokers? I wander if we were to look at all smokers and compare them with all non-smokers,,? Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 _.__ -35- R: People that have ~uit, they say they taste their food now. R: Oh yes, that is true, It is so true, R: You do, And if you go out and you're a wbfFdnl and you go out with a man who doesn't smoke, you als;ays think, what does he think when I'm kissing him, Does he feel like he's licking an ashtray or something like that, They say kissing..a smoker is like licking a wet ashtray, R: It's true. R: you brush your teeth a lot. R: I brush my teeth about 18 times a day, every time I'm in mit bathroom, I early a toothbrush in my purse. M: Iv'hat were you saying, Val! R: It's true, Even though I'm a smoker, like, r can smell cigarettes on my husband,,, M: And he, probably the same. 8: Be probably smells them in my hair or something, cause you smell smoke eve~y- where. R: Yeah, but you don't care because you both smoke, 9 Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -36- R: 'It's not that, Sometimes you do care because I sag to myself, geez, we both stink, I say, how can ha stand the smell and I say to myself, how can I stand the smell and then I get up and I light a cigarette, It' s just so much habit now, R: r have to have a cigarette before f get out of bed in the mo~ing, ~hen my alarm goes off, the first thing I do is reach for a cigarette, r don't even get out, My eyes aren't even open yet~ M: And, presumably you would miss that, i: for some reason you reached and there ware no cigarettes there, R: I've done it before, I've got: up and gone and put some sweat pants over my pajamas and ran to the store at 7:00 in the morning, to a 24 hour Mac's, M: what are some of the other positive aspects to the whole smoking experience, that you can think of? R: I just think it's a legal thing you can do, ~ikc, if you're going for a job interview, it's not acceptable to have a drink first to calm you down, but it is a cigarette, R: Yeah, but you can't even smoke during a O job interview~ mat's not acceptable, O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 __ _ -37- a: No, but before you 40 in, You don't want to go in reeking of booze cause you're never going to get hired. a: Yeah, but if you bye a glass of wine before, it's just the same thing, It's just as relaxing, That's what I used to a: It's better to have a glass of wine than to go in there smelling of cigarettes, ?I: You wouldn't be afraid of s;nellinq like a wine bottle. a: well, if you go in after lunch, you could always say you had a glass of wine with your lunch, a: You only have one small glass of wine. It's very relaxing, r do it when I go to an interview. M: I've heard some people say that smoking helps them concentrate,,,does anybody feel this? a: Not me, a: I don't know if it's concentration, hut I jast went back to school a year ago, full time and i can't write an essay without cigarettes right there, always burning, It' s just something I've pi Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -38- noticed, I don't know why and if r don't have enough at home to last me through the evening to finish the essay, forget it · it ~y as well be late, till I can get some cigarettes and really get into it. R: I couldn't be without cigarettes, I'd run to the store, R: I don't have a 24 hour Mac's, R: r would, I have a car, but I would drive 10 miles. R: It's just the reverse with me, If I'm reading a book I don't smoke but, I'm just at home all day now with the baby and r smoke all day. Once she's in bed, I: sit down and have a cigarette and a coffee and r'll pick u~ the tops and all this stuff and then r sit down and read a hook and I don't smoke. But if I sit down and watch TV, I don't smoke, But when I'm concentrating on a book, I doe't, r just don't have the urge. R; Me either, If I'm watching m, I'm smoking all the time but I don't know what's going on an the m,, R: You're watching it, but.., R: I'm just looking at it, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -39- R: That's wt~t I find is, when I'm reading a book is, I light a cigarette and put it in the ashtmy, read a couple of pages and, before I know it, the cigarette's burnt up, so r don't know why, it's a waste of a cigarette but, I: just, the comfort of having a cigarette there, R: That's why r never bother lighting one when I'm reading a book, R: f do all kinds of things when I've got a cigarette hanging out of my mouth, like I'm doing the dishes and I've got a cigarette hanging out of my mouth and like my boyfriend says, put that out, you're doing dishes or, if we're doing dishes toqether.,~I'm drying and have a cigarette in my mouth and I leave them there and '1 go watch TV and he goes, I'm going to take your cigarettes away and he smokes two packs - we go through 4 packs a day at our house. I've gotten so bad that, when t didn't have the money, like the bank's closed on Saturdays, I've had no money, I'd go through rolling the butts over again, R: When I was younger, r used to do that, r was about 17~ R: (fnaudiSle) I'd roll the butts over again and smoke them. R: But now, I'm a constant clean freak, so Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·40- there's never any butts at my house. M: what are some of the negative aspects, some of which we touched on already? R: The smell. R: . It makes me feel short of breath, if I've smoked a lot. When I wake up in the morning, I definitely teel it. R: A yucky taste in your mouth. R: Yucky morning breath. R: Yucky, yuckp taste in your mouth. You go in and brush your teeth and do mouth· wash and then you go out and you have a cigarette. R: Always; as soon as T: brush my teeth, f light up a cigarette. R: r do the same thing too, brush my teeth six, seven times a day, cause I can't stand the taste in my mouth. R: But do you ever notice, when you brush your teeth and light up a cigarette, the cigarette tastes funny. R: It tasted better. M: Bow big a health risk is smoking! Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 __ -II· 8: I think it's very ~d· 1 friend of mine is C5 years old - he's in California, I guess he's been smoking for shout 50 pars and he called me just after new years and he said, guess what happened to me · he stopped breathing and had to be rushed to the hospital and it turned out that, after 50 years of smoking, he has cqhysaa, So he at, after 50 years of smoking three pach a 6111 cold turkey, hasn't smoked 1 cigarette since, Be says he still misses It, but he'd rather Ii vs than smoke. I: II there another pint of view on that? 8: Its, my ox's father died at 82 from cancer, hut not cancer of the lungs, But it had spread and that's why he Gisd~ bd ha had smoked for 60 years and he we 1 big, healthy strapping man till he got the cancer, Bat it wasn't lung cancer I it was in the bones or ~ol~thfng, But r thought that we a pretty good example, II what do you infer from that? I: That it's not as had II it's all cracked up to be', cause a let of that is propaganda, especially the taxes, ,,the government's pfng,,.nll, you're 1 had person for smoking, so ~'11 nail you for Z5C more today and next week ft'll he 15C prs~ Oh you drink beer,,,20C next week,,, ClibPDF - v~~fastio.soni R: I don't understand why they're raising cigarettes that high. X; They don't raise everything else, R: (Inaudible), They know that people aren't going to give it up and smoker's are going to pay for it, R: It doesn't matter because, the five years I lived in Los Angeles, I never paid more than 75e for a peek of cigarettes, R: The government thinks it's a lurmry. R: But 75t as compared to $3.00 is absolutely ridiculous, considering our money is worth less thsn theirs, R: I went to the U,S, and couldn't believe the prices on cigarettes,,, R: Gas is great too down there, M: What do you think about Karen's statement this information is not factual in teres of the damage that cigarettes do? R: I believe that, They were trying to say a while ago that milk causes cancer, Everything nowadays is supposed to be causing cancer, R: They denlt know what causes it, so theylre saying,,, O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -43- R: I'think it's all in your genes and some· thing just maybe bringing it out, X: I think cigarette smoking causes part of the problem, A: I think it was somebody died from cancer and the person smelted,., R: There's a possibility that cigarettes cause lung cancer, but I wouldn't say that everybody that smokes is going to get lung cancer, R: Look at Andy Kau~nan · he didn't sloke, he ate health:ood and he died of lung cancer, R: It was the same thing · this girl I:knew in high school - she was 11 and she got lung cancer and she never smoked a cigarette in her life, M: f~ow many people here think you're going to live a shorter life because you smoke? Al No, (Plurall R: Fbnhaw, pi You think sof R: Definitely. Or at least a less healthy life, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·44- R: It's a definite possibility. R: That's t,ue, because I used to be a swinuner and I used to be able to swim about 2LI lengths in an olympic pool under- water. I'm lucky if I can mim one length of a regular pool underwater. R: I'm lucky if I can mim at all. M: Karen,do you think you're going to live fewer years because you smoke! R; I don't think so, M: Beidi! R: Yes, thaIr'll definitely be not as healthy and r think they'll be shorter, M: R: I don't think so, because I've known people in my family and other people's family that have lived to be 100 and smoked, Camel non~filteos, which are a very strong cigarette or Players Plain, things like that M: Yvette, what about you? R: Nc, I don't think so. I think if you take care of yourself in other areas,,, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -45· R: 1'11 give you an example - my grandfather is 87 and he's Seen smoking since he was 13 years old and he's still living, in great shape. The guy can run faster than I can, He's in fantastic shape, R: The same thing with my mother's father· in-law - he lived to be 100 and he smoked all his life until he was 90 years old, M: That's interesting - what have you heard about whether it's true or not, the ill effects of cigarette snoking~ R: for every cigarette smoked, it's supposed to cut something off your life,,. R: Fourteen minutes or something like that, R: If that's the ease, I'11 be dead in a couPle of gears, R: They say, when you star: smoking, you burn off all the little hairs in pur lungs that are filters and then, from there it gets [Side ends) R: ,,.,,he had five brothers and they all died from working in' the mine of lung cancer and they never smoked, R: Imagine if they would have, R: All five of them, boom, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -Q6; R: My motto is the day I c~uit, f'll be hit by a car, Why should I go through that when the adds are, anyway · you read in the papas every day, people in ears you know, this accident and that happens,., R: You can't predict your death, If you smoke, you can't say, I'm going to die at 50 cause I smoke, You can die at 26, I could walk out of here and get hit by a ear. I:could go on the subway and there'd be an accident. Some trunk could start shooting, You can't qcit smoking just because they said you'rs going to dic~ R: You'te going to die an~ay, R: you could get ci::hosis of the liver, if you drink too much, But my dog trainer lives in Newfoundland and he was the dog trainer of the dog - ha was 32 years old and be worked in television eolmaereials and everything - he was a fitness buff, he jogged 10 miles a day, everything, he never smoked, he ate healthy foods and one morning they found him dropped dead on his neighbour's front lawn, when he was jogging, So I don't really think you could say smoking is going to make you die, It might make you less healthy and you might small funny, but that's about it, M: Suppose your children reached the age of 121 1Plstl Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ___ -41- R: I would not encourage them to smoke, B: No, R: Mm~n, M: Would you discourage ten activelyl R: Yes, (?lural) R: I discourage my sisters too, They have no urge, but I keep discouraging them just in case they get that urge. R: Only because it's a dirty habit, R: Z think at 12 or 13 they can make up their own minds, M: So you wouldn't actively discourage your child? R: I'm going to leave the decision to them, When they're younger, i wouldn't encourage them because I don't think their lungs are developed enough and it would be really more damage,,,but once they're 12 or 13, they're pretty well developed that way in their body structure and height,,, R: I would discourage them if they were only doing it because of peer pressure, But if they were doing it because they really wanted to start smoking,,l Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -48- R: That's how we all started, is through peer pressure, RI .NoI not me~ R: Well, you reSelled,.,and I realized it was such a nasty habitl I quit, M: How many people here came from house- holds in which both parents smoked? Five,.,how many came from households in which at: least one parent smoked! Two. Is there anybody here who came from a household in which nobody smoked! nJo people out of nine. But from what you've said, it wzs~nbt your parents - it was your peers which were most influential in your starting., R: There's three children in our family and all three of us have smoked and my parents have never picked up a cigarette, Actually, now one of them's quit, She's quit for health reasons cause she wants to start having a family, R: The first time I ever took tobacco, I was about six years old. I was spitting tobacco with my grandfather, He was a nice guy, When I: told me father that I was smoking, he was smoking cigars at the time, and he said if you're going to smoke, smoke the best, a cigar. well, after I finished the cigar and nearly Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -49- choked, what he did is stop bugging a: i was learning to drive a transport. It was fnterstate 75 and I was learning to drive right through Kentucky and this guy didn't smoke but he had this cigar somebody gave him and there was no store for about 50 miles and I was dying for a cigarette and said, can I smoke that and he says yes, and I just about died, It was one of those White Owls,,, M: Does smoking affect anything other than the lungs? a: ~ibmn~rm, a: Your taste buds, a: It affects the whole body because it reduces the oxygen, a: It's bad for the circulation, like if a person's on pills,,, R: Especially over 30, After 30 they're net giving them to you any more unless you quit smoking, a: Birth control pills, R: If you buy a package of birth control Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 _· -50- pills · I don't Icnow if they do it here but, in the states, you open them up and there's instructions and it says do not use these pills if you smoke over 30, There's a big warning sign, M: And that's because,..? R: I guess the hor;nones,~male hormones,,, R: The eireulation.~.(Plura1) R: Thrombo·scmethinF. R: There's an increased chance of stroke, R: But I~'11 tell you something - the girl I live with that quit smoking and, she was going to quit for a year, had to quit cause she has a disease called r8~aud's Disease and it affects your circulation and in the wintertirne she has to have hex feet frozen because the circulation is so bad, She says she feels no difference at all in her circulation since she's quit so I don't know how much truth there is to that, R: On a talk show the other day, I beard this guy say the iarmediate effect you notice from a cigarette is less circulation, your hands get cold and some people don't have good circulation in the first place, whether they smoke or not; their hands are always cold and their feet are always cold, ~P Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 151- I: Anybody notice that! HY body's cold all the time. 8: r'm cold 111 the time. I'm Itsetlg in hell as a matter of fact, 8: I'm not cold right nov. I'm coming over a hangover bit and, my body's always cold, but I'm not cold. $ skin teels cold, hut I'm not cold, Lilc, my boyfriend, he'll bold hands and say, yol're cold, and I'11 sly, I'P not cold. I: Those of you who feel your hands Of body are cold, do you attribute it to smoking! 8: 80, it's this country, 81 r don't know if r agree with that, because when I gplt ~~ipg, the circulation in a hands and feet got a lot better, $d also, the colouring in your skin - your skin Eiscololrs when you smoke, Iop lose a lot of vitamins from pr: system, It robs POPr system of vitamins. I: by does it do that! 1: tha actual nicotine in It will rob the system of vitamins, 8: Ld it affects the colour of your skinl ClibPDF - v~~fastio.soni ~_· -52~ R: Actually, too, at Smokeders, they got you taking vitamin C supplements, That was one of the things that you started to take. M: Bow many people here have noticed or heard that smoking affects your skin colour! R: In.odels, like they won't smoke, they wan' t drink,,, R: what about your fingers, when they get yellow fingers. R: That is so cross, R: You wass them with bleach, R: That's from holding your hand like this and the smoke goes up, B: Have you ever breathed on a Xleenex3 R: That's what they do in high school and they come and they try and tell you not to smoke.., R: Also, your eye colour, the whites of your lyes, I noticed and was told, that the white of your eyes become a lot brighter when you quit smoking, M: What are some of the other things that people can do too much! Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -53- R: People do drugs, R: They eat too much, M: Eat the wrong things.,,Are there things that you avoid eating too much of! R: Sweets, desserts...fried foods, R: Potatoes, bread, sweets, R: (Relates mostly inaudible story about eating chips) M: what are some of the other things that one should avoid doing in order to remain healthy, R: Slee? and exercise, R: Sleep for sure, Because if you don't get enough sleep, you get very run down, And your Ilmaunity systs gets run down, R: That's very true because when the baby was teething, I didn't get any sleep ~ all for two weeks and then I got the worst cold, and I couldn't shake if off for months, I had to finally go to the doctor, it was so bad, R: Oh yeah, when my baby was colicky, right, she just cried and cried and I couldn't take it - I had to have one of my friends Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·5(· come over, an older lady, and she stayed with me about a week, She helped me, M: Where do you get such information that you have about smoking! R: The media, R: Doctors, R: Personal experience, R: yourself, R: Word of mouth, R: Brochures you get in the doctors Office or they send to your door, R: TV. R: Is it here or in the States that they're .not allowed to advertise cigarettes or alchohol~ R: Here, R: But I: think they've changed it a lot of the states, they can't advertise it, R: They can't any morel R: No, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·55- M: Can you remember any specific examPles of things about smoking? R: That sign, smoking is glamourous always sticks in my mind, R: In Junior High, I had a teacher who; I don't even think he was a health teacher, he was a science teacher or something, he would give us a little blurb on smoking every couple of months, I remember him making a list of pros and cone and asking the class to make this list with him and there was one positive thing about smoking which was enjoyable, R: The crucual one I remember was one on the radio, we don't smoke and we don't chew,,, R: And we don't go with girls that do, R: And at the end it says, don't smoke, butt it out,,., M: Who made that commereial'll R: Frank Zapea's daughter, E~Aon Zappa, M: But who was behind it? R: Probably the Canadian Cancer Society, R: Or Cancer can be Beaten,,, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -56- 3: They So, butt out. ~y other examples that you can think of~ 3: r think you just have to look at people that are heavy smokers that you see on street comers. They look terrible, R: You can tell,,,who smokes and who doesn't, if you're walking down the street with men and women; you can tell they don't smoke , ,Y: How can you te117 Il: like, she doesn't look like a smoker, when I walked in,,,because her face is really cleat and all that, Il: I don't think so either, But she only smokes 10 cigarettes a day, that's why, R: I didn't think she smoked, but,,, M: How do cigarettes compare with other kids of tobaccos, say cigars and pipas~ R: I enjoy a long, thin cigar, now and then but I don't like those big stogies, I remember when I was younger and my mother caught me smoking, when I was sneaking a cigarette here and there, me and the girl next door, our parents sat us down and gave us a stogie and made us Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·__ ·j7· smoke the whole thing and I think we were sick for two days afterwards. Zike our races were turning blue. I was about 8, It was the worst experience I ever had, Well, the first time I ever smoked · my mother smoked Camea Menthol · and my mother was laying down by the pool and I went upstairs with two of my girl~ friendsto get changed and she had a pack of cigarettes there. We went into the bathroom and shared the same cigarette and then we must have ate about 15 pacits of Li:esavers afterwards. That was the first time I smoked, R: In the bushes (inaudible)~~~we rooved down further · we had this big tree and there was a swing and we'd be smoking there. Then we moved down farther on the other side of my friend's house, There was just one little window I it was her room, we'd smokethere, Then T'd go run in the house and before r even spoke to my mother, I'd get to the fridge and eat a pickle sight sway, M: Coming hack to this question of other forms of totaceo other than cigarettes,,,are they all equally undesirablel R: r think cigars are more undesirable. R: Because they smell, p: They stink, I couldn't stand my dad' s El Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 _· ·S8- cigar smoke · i just couldn't stay in the same room. M: Would they all be eqully harmful? R: Na. R: Because cigars aren't inhaled, R: But you can get mouth cancer too, M: Se you would think cigars would he not as harnful! R: You're not supposed to inhale cigars? R: You're supposed to sort os" puff them, M: What shout pipes? R: They smell nice. (Plural) R: You don't inhale pipes either, M: Do you know anybody who uses snuff? R: Yes, R: My fatherl R: Ltually, a friend of mine who quit smoking, R: fs that the stuff you spit out or the stuff you put in here? O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -59· R: You put it in your nose. R: What the one you put in here but you don't chew it~ R: That's Skoal, That's what my father uses. ~d I have a friend of mine who's a policeman · he uses chewing tobacco. The most disgusting habit to hear somebody spitting into a spittoon, It sprays all over the room. R: fiika those baseball players. R: Back home, every house you go to, there's an area where people live and at each side of the chair there's a little sPittoon, A little csn..,and they don't even watch; they just go,,. y: Do any of your friends use snuff? R: Yes. R: None of my friends. M: Nc, it's not very conrmon? R: No. M: is it just as bad as cigarettes? R:· I don't think there's nicotine and tar in Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·60- a: I have two friends who use it all the time, They like to get people to snift it and then they laugh when they sneeze their head off. M: Female friends? a: No, male, M: The kind they take thought the nosel a: Yeah, a: What do you do with it - you just gut it up your nose? · a; Yeah, and then it makes you sneeze, it's like a real irritant, Fnd their eyes water,,, a: That's why they do it? a: Yeah, it's really funny to watch people do it, M: That's not why they do it, a: Some kind of, like Tiger Balm, That's what Tiger Balm does, M: They don't get the same satisfaction out of it as you would a cigarettel a: They bath smoke also, Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 I~ ·61- R: They like to get all the fancy little boxes and they haoe all different kinds, 9: E~y god, i don't think I'd be able to do that in public, M: Suppose your children are getting to be teenagers and you have to make a decision - they can either drink a reasonable amount or smoke a reasonable amount,,, R: Smoke, M: RnC you have to say what you would prefer the to dol R: SmokinF~ R: i don't know because they're both so harm- ful to your health. R: what age are you talking about! M: Te~~agars, Let's say they're going to be reasonably heavy drinkers or reasonably heavy smokers,,. R: Smokers, (Plural) R: Smokers,,,I have about.five people in my family that have died of cirrhosis of the liver, i would choose smoking, R: l say drinking because l think in other Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 _· -62- cultures people drink quite casually, but are you saying heavy to the point that it's,.. M: I don't mean abusing it, Let's say smoking a package or two of cigarettes a day...let's say drinking - it could be beer or lieuor, five bottles of beer a day~ ,, R: I'd say drink then~ R: If r had a teenager, I wouldn't mind them partying on a Friday or Saturday night,., R: But that's about it, R: But the thing is, that smoking doesn't alter your mind. Youlre not going to smash U3 a Eat or walk into a wall os fall down drunk on the sidewalk from smoking a couple of cigarettes, M: Which' would you rather have a child of yours do, drink or smoke? R: That's a toughie because, children, when you tell them not to do something, they'll turn around and do it, because you told them not to, Solaetimes,,,so I don't think r would tell. them anything, a: But I'm say~ng I want you to make that O decision.., O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·_ · I · _63_ a: Tough becapss I sold do both, so t said ha a poor ~rqla, I c6aldn't sap don't drink and than turn Ir0ppd and 90 oat dr~n~ing. I: Sapposo loo coaid choose, drukrrl or smokars bat not both? a: Smokara, 1: ~17 a: My father's an aleobollc.,, r: .Sa pa think it's pete risky to ha a drinkar than a smokar! a: Yer~ I have first hand spcriraeo, I: Poa agras with that, Mary? a: I beliava so tao and I want through a pcri6d with my mother vhsre r psld to find bottlas, qty bottias in ths linlp elosat and ·dlt her bad and a Pthcr's tha typo who eoold bid hlr liquor vary wll as wail Is her ~iatsr, who died of an anaurisln 1111 driving bar car dow tL strict and r haPs a wbolo history of Ikoblia in my frllp and r tdnd to wt drink vary much, I'ma social drinkar pins I'm I bartcndar as wll. I wtcb it, Lns, if I'1 oat with people and thy'a ClibPDF - v~~fastio.soni -64- drinking or if I go to a bar or a social event, Fo to a bar every single night or if r go to a panty, that's i:, r won't I once in a while I'11 sit at home and 1'11 have a drink to relax myself but I do not drink in excess, because I've seen what it's done to my fcnily, M: let's scwose that no-one in this room smokes right now,,,if you were a non-smoker and let's suppose that I'm smoking, how could I suggest to you that you might be interested in a cigarette! R: You offer one, M: You say, no, I: don't want one. R: You say, you can't put it down till you try it, Say we've never smoked and you're sitting there woking and we're putting down you because you're smoking and you say, you can't put it down until you have tried it, You can't say, new, it's no Food cause you've never tried it, M: What would I point out, I'd have to explain to you some of the benefits to smoking, presumably,,, R: r don't how what you could say, R: I think it's just by assoeidticn,,,like, you looking like you're very relaxed and ~E~· Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -65- not hacking away, just enjoying pout cigarette and it's not doing any harm to you~ I think if I was a non-smoker, I'd just watch, just be very interested in how he's doing it, M: If I persuaded you to have a puff, what would be your first reaction? R: Coughing (P!ural) M: So it would not be a pleasant experience? R: No~ (Plu:a! R: I probably wouldn't know how to inhale M: So would that mean that you would never smoke or would that make you more curiousl R: More curious, M: I mean, the whole business of starting to smoke is an interesting one, Everybody here has gone through it and I don't know whether everybody here had treidi's experience in feeling she had to practice.,, Was it uniformly an unpleasant experiencal R: I remember coughing my head off and then taking another puff and coughing, coughing, M: Working at itl~~ O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 _ I __ _·_ -66· R: ~l~and taking another puff, Pnd then r next cigarette, R: Not me 1 my head felt really light and then I got sick. R: I was couging and then feeling nauseous af terwards , R: I felt great afterwards - never bothered me, It still hasn't bothered me, I never coughed, I never thew up afterwards, I never did anything,,, R: The first year I smoked, I never even inhaled it, R: Yeah, I did too, R: People make fun of you if you don't inhale, R: That's why r ~uit. Cause r wasn't addicted to it, cause I never inhaled it, And people were making fun of me, so,,, B: Everybody here seens to hold a cigarette between those two fingers - do you always do that, El: Depends if you're right-handed or lef· handed, M: Well, how do you hold your cigarette! J~ Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·61- R: I'm;ight-handcd. These two fingers don't go taFether,,~you don't have much choice. M: Mary's holding hers in a different way now, which you sometimes do - are you projecting a different image when you do it that way,~.~ X: European, M: Why are you doing it? R: I'm not doing it consciously or unconsciously, She's just showing you the way she's doing it, R: Sometimes I do it, M: You're not doing it for any particular reason - just sometimes you do, R: I just Go it, R: Same people don't hold them, Like, you take a drag and put it in the ashtray, I would forget about it if r didn't have it right there, R: I guess I worry, too, about them rolling out and burning things, I never put it down, R: I put my cigarette down but f don't put it in the little spat, O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 _ ~C~C -68- R: I always make sure mine is right in the ashtray cause I have a terrible fear of fire, Cause our house burnt down because of dadls smoking. I always put it in like that, And if Se does it I always give him shit because he always forgets about it and it rolls off onto the table, It drives me crazy, R: I always put mine straight, you know the little holes there · most people don't, Like, she does it, I make sure it doesn't go cause Export A, when you put 'em in the ashtray,,, R: They burn out, M: We mentioned that part of the smoking experience is something to eo with your hands and, yet r don't notice you doing a lot of things with your cigarette with your hands, what are you doing with it, There it is, or it's in the ashtray,,, R: Well, you get to flick it - that's the best part, R: Nab, f change hands, R: I can't hold it - it falls out if I put it in my left hand, R: A lot of times I'11 hold it in my mouth like this and then, all of a sudden IP Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -69· I'm walking around like this and smoke going into my eye, R; My boyfriend walks down the street with his cigarette in his mouth,,, R: That's not very ladylike, R: Be inhales it too while he's got the cigarette in his mouth and I tried it one dayl~~I: can't do that, R: Dad can do that till it burns out in the butt,~,,,it's still hanging in his lips. R: My dad does that too, R: My dad passed away but he used to leave it in his mouth like this and he'd sit and watch TV, Sometimes he wouldn't smoke it but he'd be sitting there'and there's nothing but the burnt out part left,,, he'll look at it and he'll put it out and he'll stick another one in his mouth, then he'll smoke that one and he'd put it out, Then he'd do the same thing again. R: I used to hold it like that in my mouth all the time till, ons day, r went past the mirror in the washroom and I lacked at myself with this thing hanging down out of my mouth and I said, no way, I'd rather hold it, It looked so disgusting, smoke coming out, It looked disgusting, I never hold it like that any more, r O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -70· never keep it in my mouth, a: I was in a bank yesterday and it was a very small bank,,,and one of the tellers was walking around with (Uaudible) in her mouth and I Sust really thought that it didn't look very nice at all, She was talking to people and holding her books,,, M: What is there about holding a cigarette in pr mouth that laakes it look tacky! a: It doesn't look great. M: Even for a man? Was it a man in·the bank! a: No, it was a woman and r didn't think it looked very nice~ a; I didn't find it disgusting when my father did it, cause he used to do it all the time. M: It's more acceptable far a man! a: Well, it kind of reminds me of the guys with the big flip there and the leather jacket,,, M: Coming hack to the rights of non·smokers and the rights of smokers, let's talk about that? a: I think, in an office, it's okay to have O the people say it'8 non-smoking area, F~ Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·71- as long as there's a place, in the cafeteria, whatever, where you can sit down and you can smoke, like at break time, at 10:30, whatever it is, Like, if it really bothers people, I understand,,, a: That's it, like why should you have to go out of the building to have a cigarette at work on your coffee breakl what I think is good is, if they put the non-smokers on their break first and then the smokers and they've got two hours for the air to clear and keep them happyl,, M: So you're saying there should be equal opportunity, ,.? R: Yeah, R: I think non-smokers are going overboard with their rights, M: In what way! R: Because they're really pushing svery· body to not smoke and they don't want you to smoke,,,you used to be able to mnoke in theatres, used td be abie tP smoke in stores. Pretty soon they're going to be telling you you can't smoke in your dr, Smoke at home or that's it, R: . :Yeah, that's what they're aiming for, Zhat's really ridiculous. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·72- M: That's going too far, in your opinion~ R: I think so, that non-smokers are pushing their rights a little too much, I mean, I respect somebody that doesn't smoke and, again, the girl that r live with doesn't smoke and, if we're sitting at a table together, I~'11 either open the window or r'll stand away from here, r will not sit and blow smoke in her face, R: Like, if somebody tells me my smoke is bothering them, I will put i: cut or walk away, It doesn't bother me, but when everybody's sort of on top of you, Like, r was working in a place once where I was just the only smoker there and they would sort of say, well go,,,when r lit up a cigarette; they would be really mean, Like, they wouldn't just say, it's bothering us - they would just sort of kick me out of the plaee..,I hated it, R: Where I used to work, they used to have four desks; this girl used to sit a: this desk and my desk used to be over here,,, and the way the air~canditioning was set, you got a slight breeze and the smoke used to drift her way, no matter where you put it, the smoke always used to drift her way, according to her and she would coaglain and e6melain and, she finally O want to my supervisor saying rbat I bugged O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·73· her wi~l ~ cigarette smoke, saying that my cigarette smoke - actually, she couldn't concentrate cause it kept getting in her eyes, No ~tter where I put it · I tried to please her to no end, because r don't like to cause friction. But I finally got to the point I can say, look, they didn't say I couldn't s~oke on my job - what am I supposed to do! I says, you have your rights, I have my rights, But I put it everywhere but up my · you know,,,I mean, what can I do to please you, The only thing tk= would please her was that I not smoke completely. M: Bow was it resolved? R: They put he: in a desk way over here, And she didn't like it at all. M: What's your opinion, Michelle, on this issue of smokers' rights.,.? R: r: think non-smokers have their lights, I mean, in restaurants and things like that they have a smoking area and non- smoking areas, great,,,r do think they try to push it a little bit too much sometimes, but most of the time, I don't run into a lot of problems, I never really have, Even if I'm eating, r don't appreciate anybody blowing smoke in my face and I'm a smoker,,,but I've never Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 i 74 e really been bothered with it, If they've asked me to put it out Or whtever, I will move and there's no problem that way whatsoevet~ Actually, I agree with not smoking in stores for more than just health seasons. R: You can bun the clothes,,, R: Fnd the same with fool, If youlre in a crogery store, it's not very pleasant to have everybody smoking around food, no matter what it is, whether there's butts or the actual cigarette smoke itself. That I agree with totally, Il: It's the same as in a theatre, I agree with not smoking in a theatre because you could have that theatre be 3/4 nan-smokers,,, and it wouldn't be fair, Like, I consider m~self a considerate smoker because if someone asks me to put a cigarette out i: it's going in their face, I will try to please them to no end because I consider they have rights too, But, when someone demands that you put your cigarette out, then I start getting mad about it because they consider that they're the only ones living in this world and you shouldn't do what they don't like, Fad that's right - it's not fair. R: i don't understand, like, in the States that have the last four or five rows of Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -75- the theatre for smoking and, the rest of the whole theatre is non-s~oking and they have fans - I don't sec what the problem there is,,,l R: Well, there's also the danger of fire, Like, I think that this thing got passee: in Canada because there was a big fire in Montxeal once, M: Does anybody have a friend who has no ashtravs at all? R: r: do, R: bo, they all know se, R: I was at my cousin's house yesterday - my cousin just bought a,verlt big home and it must have about 25 rooms in it, not including the kitchen,,,and there's a big sign when you walk up to the house that says, no smoking, So they had a party yesterday with my family, and there must have been 50 people there and st all times, you'd look outside and there's people walking around in the rain, ten people smoking, R: Aow ignorant, R: I thoght, why not make one room,,,l R: Why invite people into your home,,, O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 __ -76- X: Fnd 3/4 of them are smokers ant the house is a mansion, it's huge, why not make one room,,, R: What gets me, is they have all'chese things like non-smoking sections in. restaurants, yet the same people that have just screamed that this person is smoking, will go to a bar. There's no non·smokk~g sections in bars. R: You can't do it, R: Yeah, you go in t~here and the air is thick with smoke act they don't cry, R: Yeah, their go in there for hours. R; My brother-in-law is the same way · he does not like smoking, Be even made his wife, my sister, quit smoking before they even got married, You go to his place and you can't light up a cigarette, You light up a cigarette and he just about freaks. You ask him for an ashtray and he'll say no, you don't smoke in my house. Okay, it's his house, Be has that right but we don't go to his place. Wa don't, We've been there twice and we've never gone again. M: Where is'chis going to lead? What do you see down the liner Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -77- R: I think they're trying to make every- body in the world ouit against their will, M: Who's they? R: Whoever's enforcing all these non-smoking laws and these non-smoking people, M: Who are the people! R: I guess it's the government that's saying you can't smoke in theatres,.. or the Health Deaartaen'c. R: Elevators,,, R: Elevators, yeah, that I can kind of under- stand, M: All this non-smokers rights and all the pressure, trying to make everybody into a non-smoker, where is it coming from? R: There are a lot of co~mnittees formed, non-smokers, R: I would like.to hear something from the Tobacco Industry myself, Like, how about a little support here, I mean, we're forking over lats of money every day for these cigarettes,,, R: If maybe everybody boycotted them for a couPle of days, maybe they'd give you support, O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 __ -78- R: They'd lose millions of dollars, R: Even in one day, they'd lose a couple of million,,. R: They would stand up and take notice, for sure. R; Do you know the names of any committees or groups? R: The Canadian Cancer Society and the Tuberculosis Group ~ T'm not sure of the name, They're always pushing non-smoking. Fc: Rod they're just conrmittees formed of the people who just don't smoke and don't like the idea that you smoke in front of them, M: It seems to me from what you've said that things are different today thn they were, say, maybe even five years ago,,,what axe the differences? R: More women smokers, R: (fnaudible) I go to now - no one smokes, It's incredible, It used to be that the odd person didn't smoke, Now, it's one or two people that would smoke in a sshool - nobody's smoking, R: People are more health·conscious, P Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ~791 R: But what about, 50 years aFo, women weren't alloyed to smoke in public! a: fifty years ago, it: was the in thing to smoke though. R: But women didn't smoke in public, a: Except fast women, a: 'Yoc've seen those virgins Slims ads, you've come a long way baby,,, M: Iv~at Co you think about that adl a: r think it's a great ad, If I liked their ciFarettes, I might even smoke them,,, M; what do other people think about that ad? p: I l~n't think it's very glamorPur, that's for sure~., a:. Actually, they're depicting women, a: Actually, it's a feminist coanaercial~ M; Do you find it degrading to womenl R: Yes, ~dol Because, actually, they' re pointing out women only - you've come a long way baby,,, P: Because they're saying, years sad years ago.,, b Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·I _ ·10· 8: r know, I understand what they'rs aotaally saying bat I don't agree with their type of advertising, I mean, everybody sakes - why don't they do one for men..,l 8: But there was never a time when men weren't allowed to amoke, 8: I realize that hut I don't think it's a very efflctioe, well, ior a anyway, my personal opinion - I don't think it's a very CrfCCtlPI ad SeEaOJe that's pretty well all t~f'Is doing in piP- gointiag,., 8: r think it's insulting, actnally, too, bacapse I think they're misPalng the Feminist ~nsnt~ n: You think it's intended to bea ~(lkllt- oriented ad? a: yes, And I think thef're Pimoiog it, a: I don't think it's feminist - what ii they said it about the vote? Like, women were not allowed to vet; several years ago, what ii, during the eleetfco time they said, you've oome a long way babyr 111 of 1 sudden gw're allowed to vote, a: I think that would be rightl ClibPDF - v~~fastio.soni -81- R: But it's the same thing, (Plural) R: Cause women weren't allowed to smoke. R: Well, I guess that I understand that it's a cigarette company that's just trying to sell cigarettes - they don't give a damn about feminirm and so theylre just using that... R: The person who's advertising for votes doesn't give a damn about women either. Be just wants your votes. It's the same difference, R: Well, voting and smoking are two different things · smoking's a dirty habit, a: Actually, if it was a politician that was saying, c'mon women, come out and vote - you couldn't vote before, then I would also feel like he's misusing it, or she,,,but if it was just I selflaware- ness group or something like that, that didn't have an ulterior motive,,. R: Well, that ad does strike people quite differently. Some people think it's approPriate and respond to it and other p'eople, for reasons that you've outlined, don't like it and object to it. R: I've seen it say in a magazine that, more woman are dying of lung cancer, blah, blab,,. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -82- you've come a long way baby,,. R: Oh, so they're making fun of the Virgins Slims cotonercial~ R: Yeah. 8: Actually, my bro:her-in·law was telling me last week that he was listening to some program on the radio station that ~says that, within the next two years ' the largest cause of death in women is going to be lung cancer. R: That's true~ M: And did he link this with smoking or not? R: bhrnn, apparently the interviewer did, R: But these are just things that, you know when you hear the radio, when people are talking on a TV show, a talk show, you never really get a chance to say to the person, where did you get this information, these statistifsl You know, like they'te just throwing it out and a lot of gullible people are swallowing it, Where i stay back and say, oh yeah, nrmhnrm.,~you're obviously the antilsmoking law here or wbateverl R: It's like they say they did a poll of 100 women I what 100 women! A 100 women they hired! Or 100 women on the street? P Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·83- R: Or under 2l or over 652 Or single or divorced. All their husbands have died of cancer or what. M: So you look at these things with a healthy degree of skepticism! R: Yes. R: You can't take everything they say on m or,,, R:· well, did anybody else here what they were trying to say,.that milk causes cancer? R: Oh, everything causes cancer. The air, the water,.. M: We haven't mentioned the effect or smokers' smoke on nan·amokers,., pi I love those statistics. They said 5,000 people in the U,S, die every year, according to the AMR, from second hand smoke. how can they prove that? Il: Well, my mother says that my father's killing her, You're killing me with this smoke, I don't even Snake and f'm dying because i live with you. R: Yeah, but how can they say these people 'didnlt die from air pollution..,l P Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -· 84- R: Because they've probably done autopsies and they've tested to set what kind of residue is in their lungs, R: But what if they live in Buffalo or Chicago, ,,1 R: Or Los Angeles,,,when the sun is going down the whole sky is brown,,, R: Yeah, you can't see the mountains in L,A, sometimes, R: It's horrible~ Since I've been back in Toronto I feel a lot better, R: Look at the haze over Toronto; it's just as brown.,, R: Well, maybe they live with a smoker or sou'jing so they say, well, it's second- hand smoke, R: But doesn't it make sense that: it would! M: what are some other opinions on that topic? R: I believe that they've probably done enough research to know, basically, what type of smoke or whichever,,, R: What was the statistics? R: 59000, O Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·85- R: So how many people die of knife wounds on the subways of New York, R: `Or plane crashes..~ M: Those of you that have children, do you believe that you're, in fact, harming your child by smoking in the house? R: 'Yes, R: No, R: She has allergies towards cigarette smoke, M: Ilnd what do you do about that? R: Well, no one was supposed to smoke around her, so I stopped smoking in the house, But then, she'd go visit her dad and he'd smoke and she'd come home really sick and she'd go to my parent's house and my dad would smoke and she'd come home really sick, You'd go out to restaurants and she'd get sick so, I felt that I was the only one doing anything, so I stopped cause it was really difficult to not smoke in the house, So now she just has a special air filter but she's growing out of it, M: So that's a soecial case, What about those of you who have children? Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -86- R: But it is in'che air, You can smell it when you walk in the house. Just not clean air, would be like anyone living in a very dirty industrial city or mines or any place with dirt.,. R: What about when you walk in a bar~~,? R: Well, of course, it's t;?e.same thing. R: Maple Leaf Gardens - nobody's supposed to smoke during a concert~,~ #: But is this second~hand smoke risk a real one! R: Getting back to your point of view about the children, my daughter's perfectly healthy, In fact, I think she's aver- healthy sometimes but, she has no affection my smoking,,.r smoke, my husband smokes, my brother smokes and all in the same house~l, R: Bow old is she! R: She's two and she has no affects from it: and the same thing with my brother's son, Chris - he's 15 - has no effects from smoking, B: Nothing you could see yet, nothing you could tell, Maybe if she had a lung tray. .. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -87· R: It would have to be something soon, if it was going to show up. His father is a ts;o-pack smoker, his mother was a Zir pack smoker,,, R: No, but that's where you look at yourself now and I look at myself too and I say, well, I'm healthy, it doesn't really bother me. But it isn't really people our ages who are affected. It's when you're j0 and 60, you do get emphysema and lung cancer and ast~una and different lung disorders because of smoking and, there was a great shaw on 5, 6 years ago,,, about sloking with these heavy duty things where they showed all these cancer patients and sie~ people who gave interviews and, you know, old men with teats in their eyes saying, I've smoked all my life and I was young and r was healthy and it didn't bather me - look at me now · I'm appealing to you for your future because vou're not going to notice it now, You'rs going to notice it later and stuff like that,,, R: Who's to say that wouldn't happen at any age,,, R: It's tnle, it's true, but you're just really trying to defend'your smoking, That's what you're trying to do, I mean, there's no way that putting all that shit Into your lungs isn't going to hurt you eventually. Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 -88- M: Doss that mean that you feel, with respect to your child, that you feel guilty! R: Yes, 1 think it is the worst habit that I have and of all the things that I'm trying to straighten out in my life.., Once I conquer that, I think I'11 have gone a long way, because it's a really terrible habit, M; So that's a resolve of yours,.,? R: Yeah. M: And what have you dent about it so fa~l R: T'm trying to work on a lot of other things and when I've managed those things, I'11 probably be calm enough and normal enough to be able to quit, But at this point there are too many things,,, R: But is anyone calm enough or normal enough to quill~ After smoking for so many years,., There are a lot of people who say that they probably derive more benefit from smoking, on balance, than they would from not smoking, that they need that and it helps them,,, R: Yeah, (Plural) Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·B91 R: Even when I was pregnant, the doctor said, you should really ~uit smoking or cut down,,.but if it's going to cause you a lot of stress and anxiety, then it's better for you to smoke. It's better for the fetus to have a calm mother who smoker than to have a very nervous, stressful mother who doesn't smoke, R: But they make you cut down, right; they say yau can only sr~ke a etrtah aiaount a day, R: They suggested - I cut down anyway, R: Rnat they tried to do with me was smoke a lighter brand, but if T: smoked a lighter brand, r would be smoking more and more and maze. R: I was cut down to a lighter brand and only five cigarettes a day and r was totally nervous while I was pregnant and the doctor still never told me to resume smoking, No matter how much I: told her how nervous I was and r had a very difficult pregnancy, and T: really think, if I had continued smoking, not as much as I do now but the same dtand I was smoking at the time, but not as much, okay, but not cut down to five cigarettes a day, it's cold turkey like that,,,r think my pregnancy would have been a lot easier, I really Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 · _ _···__ _ -90- R: 'T: think that, because I don't smoke enough, that it's harmful to my health, I have all the benefits from smoking, it doesn't cost me very much money - it's there ~~sn r need it but I'm not addicted and it doesn't affect my health, I mean, r don't cough and f go to fitness classes and stuff,,, M: So you get almost entirely positives out of it! R: Yeah, M: Fnd hos· is it that you haven't escalated your ~1~3kinS~ so you're smoking one or two packs a day? R: I just dcn't want to, M: Is tha: a conscious effort! R: Yes, but if r do smoke, let's say a pack one night at a party or something, feel i'. so much the next day that r won't have a cigarette all day, Rnd my father smoked like that as well, Se smoked, you know, a few cigarettes a day, so I guess it's also in my blood or something, It's just self·discipline, Mt But for ether People, that wouldn't be possible presumably,..you don't smoke all that much,,,? Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ~__ -91- R: I ~moke~about a pack a day. I find that smokers · a lot of cigarettes that you put in your mouth and you put in the ashtray, you're not even conscious of them going in and out. They sit there and they burn in the ashtray if you're at work or if you're watching TV or you're on the phone, if you're writing an essay or something - you're not even conscious of that cigarette. But I think if you get dawn to the self-awareness of it, that you are conscious which is possibly the way you are, of every cigarette that you put in your mouth, you'd be amazed at the amount that you smoke at different times of the dal and ii you decided that you wanted to cut down, you would be able to do that by actually being aware of every cigarette that you light. R: I don't think a lot of it is conscious. I really don't, R: Just in this session along, i have smoked more than I usually do in a morning. Cause I came here with a full pack,., M: Why is that? a: We're talking about cigarette smoking and l'm sitting here lighting cigarette after cigarette. R: And you're allowed to smoke here, which is nice. Small roam and no one is Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ~_~ _ -92- counting how many you satoke, Na one is going, cough, cough, I wish you'd put that out, R: The thing is, can you really understand what we're saying, cause you·donlt smokey M: Why do you think I don't smokey RI A pip smoker,,, R: Ican't see you being a s~I;to~e~,,.you look too healthy, M: Coming back to Beidi's eort~ents and her ~aughter...it's quite clear that that's one aspect of you're life that you're unhappy about,,,I'd like to get some feeling from each person here about how you feel about your life,,,Mary? R: I'm not entirely content with my life at this time, M: vail (Inaudible due to taPe malfunction) (Side ends) R: No complaints, R: Yeah, content, M: Karen? ~L Clit; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·93- M: Xaren? pi I'm content, M: Michelle:, R: I'm fairly content: but: I do want to quit eventually for health reasons as well as financial reasons, But I think health ' reasons more than anything, I think our family - wall my brother and sister are sfflokets and they both quit and I'm not getting a lot of pressure at home about ~uittinF or anything like that and they're not refoned or anything like that, to come down on me but, for me,,,I know how I felt when I cult the first time and the difference that: I personally felt was incrediSle~ So, fox both health seasons, first of all and then, financial · it's getting way too expensive, 1 can remember when I was a kid and T, said, i:' it goes over a buck, I'm going to quit smoking, R: r remc~ioer when cigarettes were about 50C a pack,,, R: It's ridiculous, I: I remember when they were 36C a pack, R: They've gone up like 80C in the last two years , C: I i I; PDF -!::!!::!!::!.f3 StlC.i: 0111 ·94- R: Oh yeah, cause last yeat, they were $1~25~ R: Yeah, cause they know smokers are not going to quit smoking and they're making money on it, R: No, it's the opposite · more people quit not than ever before. M: Rochelle, what about your life - how Bo· you feel about it? R: To make it short, I'm net content. X'1D really not happy, If you want to know, I'11 just write a book later, R: Sometimes I'm happy and sometimes I'm not. I don't want to quit smoking. R: I have no desire to quit either, R: I: don't think I'11 ever quit, I don't think I could handle it. It is degrading when you have to count out all your pennies when you go to the store and want a pack of cigarettes or you'te short a nickel and they won't give you a pack of cigarettes when you say I'll pay you later,,, B: You know what's degrading - paying a cent for these itches. R: Never mind, three cents,,lI said you're Clit; P