221/8 DISCUSSION ON BrOLOGICAL RESEARCH: MEETING HELD IN Re-DE, S0UT11X%1PTO:',, 23 RD SEPTEMBER, 1971 Present: Dr. S.J. Green Sir Charles Ellis Dr. H. Borowski Dr. C.I. Ayres Dr. S.R. Evelyn Dr. D.G. Felton Dr. F. Haslam Dr. R.E. Thornton In opening the meeting, it was suggested that renewed efforts should be made to capitalise on the work already under- taken at Frankfurt, and to produce new acceptable cigarettes with reduced activitv. For exampleg cigarette condensate having e 20% lower specific activity and a 40% lower activity per cigarette would be an initial target. CDE referred to the reduced activity resulting from ethanol extraction and asked what work was being undertaken to follow this up. FH indicated that P.J. Nicholl had undertaken a study of extraction using low polarity solvents. The ethanol extracted samples will be examined at Frankfurt using the promotion test. SJG pointed out that, on a large scale, the paper reconstitution process involved an initial extraction process (water) and that variations on this procedure could be examined. It was mentioned, however, that ethanol extraction generally led to products with poor taste characteristics. CDE also asked what happened to nitrate in such extraction processes. It was probable that most of the nitrate would be extracted but DGF pointed out that the levels of nitrate in flue-cured tobacco were low. SJG suggested that the need for long-term mouse-skin painting experiments would probably decline after 1974. It was C) expected that alternative tests would be available. Although the initial results of the promotion test were promising, DGF cautioned ar,",ainst over-optimism until it was certain that we had a reproducible meaninaful test. BATCo document for Province of BritiSh Columbia 2 November 1999 -2- In view of the emphasis on short-term tests9 the various techniques available were discussed briefly as follo%*s: 1. Sebaceous Gland Test The main feature of this test is the very good correlation currently found between the results and those of long-term skin- painting experiments. There is also a good correlatioti with the weight of the nitromethane fraction. The mechanism of the test is not clear but it was probable that it was a measure of the toxicity of materials which pene- trated through the epidermis, Possibly via the hair follicles. DGF outlined the history of the test and mentioned that (a) it did not measure carcinogenicity, and (b) it probably worked well because it was applied to a group of materials acting through the same mechanism. The experimental conditions were, of course, similar to those in skin-painting experiments. CDE asked whethor the test should be set up at Frankfurt but it was generally considered that it would be better to concentrate testing at one centre for the time being. As with other tests, the initial rush of interest might well decline. The position of the sebaceous gland test at Huntingdon was also discussed. SRE compared the results of a recent test (on tobaccos with various sucker control chemicals) which 1,.ad been carried out at Hamburg and Huntingdon using a condensate prepared at Bristol. From this it appeared that the test at Huntingdon had been improved considerably. A detailed comparison of the two sets of results had not been undertaken but there were only m1nor differences between the Hamburg and Huntingdon results. CDE suggested that the samples in the B9 long-term experiment should be submitted to the sebaceous gland test. 2. Hvperplasia Test This test was currently "out of favour'19 but SRE suggested that this attitude was not entirely justified. Although some sets of results appeared misleading, some apparently very good results had been obtained; those for B9 and also for B8 were good examples- The use of the test had declined but it could still prove valuabl C) in assessing process variants of reconstituted tobaccos. The basis of the test was ar .jain questioned: SRE considered NJ that, like the sebaceous L.;land test, the short duration impliecl that it was probably a response to promoters and irritants. BATCo document for Province of British Columbia 2 November 1999 Emphasis on tests associated with promotion was probably j125tifieti: Lee's work on various models of the Harrogate long-tfrm tesTs indicated that the best fit wa5 found if it was assumed that about 80% of the activity of conclensate was due to its promozin~- activity. 3. Inhalation Tests and 'in housel Proaramm,-- It was suggested that the main emphasis should he on short- term tests. CDE considered that long-term inhalation tests would not be accepted for a long time. Inhalation tests were required, however, to compare coaunercial products even if the tests were empirical in nature. CDE asked whether tests related to emphysema or macrophage activitv were being considered in the ?in house' programme, and SJG asked SRE to outline the proposals although thase were necessarily tentative at this stage. SRE indicated that the most essential project was concerned with dosirnetry. This would involve retention studies using different types of cigarettes and substitute materia3s, smoking machines, smoke concentration and also respiratory measuremenvs. The objective was to determine appropriate methods of comparing different products similar to the specific activity basis used for condensates. A programme on the development of various short-term inhalation tests was also envisaged but the entpha5iS within this area would be decided most appropriately when the staff had been recruited. In general it was considered that it would be pre- ferable to recruit a respiratory physiologist and possibly a qualified histologist rather than an experimental pathologist. New Products of Reduced Biological Activitv. It was considered that R&DE should provide the guidance in this area, based on the work that had been undertaken at Frankfurt and at Southampton. CDE suggested that it was important to break away from design exercises and small scale tests. Cigarettes should be produced which would have a markedly reduced activily and acceptable taste; the latter characteristic could be judged internally. Only at a later staGe was it essential to modify suc cigarettes for specific markets. Various design details and criteria were discussed. Carbon monoxide and other gas- phase components were likely to be _.;ncJu,J,xr11r_1 BATCo document for Province of BritiSh Columbia 2 November 1999 -4- in surveys in the future but in any case reduced deliveries of these materials were essential. The merits of PCL, -4incel, NCF and strand width were discussed with reference to CO delAivery. It was apparent that the conditions of combustion must be con- sidered as well as the material itself. CIA stated that reductions in activity could be achieved more readily by reducing tar delivery than by reducing the specific activity of the condensate. As an example he suggested the use of NCF, a good particulate filter plus sufficient vapour phase filtration to provide a balanced smoke. DGF questioned the use of NCF rather than 1-308 as the latter would reduce both TPM and CO delivery but FH felt that it was better to accept a moderate level of CO than to use completel, synthetic sheet material. The difficulties of making an acceptable cigarette were emphasised and in particular it was necessary to have a market segment in mind so that "acceptable" could be defined even if only approximately. CDE did not agree with this argument in the first instance: it was sufficient to undertake WOODROSE tests and use a very restricted population for consumer tests. SJG agreed with this reasoning and considered that it was necessary to break away from the barriers which had been illustrated by CIA. In a first attempt to put forward a blend brief, the following was suggested: (1) Cost comparable with high quality cigarette. (2) TPM delivery, 10 mg. (3) Carbon monoxide, lower than average. (4) Reduced specific activity. (5) The biological activity should compare favourably with present brands in any test. It was impossible to incorporate all the factors known to lead to safer cigarettes into one type of cigarette, this was particularly true when acceptability is taken into account. For this reason it would be worthwhile considering the manufacture of or 3 different designs and CDE considered it most important to C=) examine the restrictions and compromises which were inherent in each cigarette. FH indicated that one R&DE approach was to attemp%.n to improve the smoke quality of blends containinG 50% PRT. BATCo document for Province of BritiSh Columbia 2 November 1999 CIA outlined three other prototype cioarettes which had been, or were beingy examined, These were: (a) KSFT based on flue-cured tobacco. In this, 25% CRS and 25% PRT had been incorporated; a dual filter having an efficiency of about 50% was used. (b) KSFT cigarette: in this design, based on incorporation of BATEX, the effect of carbon and chalk in BATEX had been examined. (c) KSFT based on modified B&H blend with incorporation of two levels of NCF. Following further discussion of the main points of such a brief, and the aspects normally covered in Germany, SJG suggested the followina: (a) Length 84-85 mm. (b) Draw resistance up to 14 cm. (c) TPM delivery 10 mg. (d) Nicotine delivery not greater than 1.2 mg. (e) Impact comparable with current US cigarettes. (f) Biological activity 40% lower (per cigarette) than VICEROY on every test. (a) Carbon monoxide lower than typical US cigarettes. (h) Reduced delivery of other vapour phase components, e.g. acrolein, hydrogen cyanide. It was suggested that the cigarette should be based on a US blend. (=3 SRE/SEW/1.1.1.3 \0 29 th September, 1971 BATCo document for Province of BritiSh Columbia 2 November 1999