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WELFARE AND OTHER REPRESENTATIVES OF EPA WENT, IN'
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NT OF' NIWTI 0 X A HEALTH AND WE-1.
Marc Lalonde, Minister.
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Howard, irutive Assistant
J. M. 'LeClair, Deputy Minister
,@'Dr. A.B. Morrison, Assistant Deputy minist
Health Protection Branc
Dr. H. N. Colburn, Director Use of Tobacco
CANADIAN TOBACCO MANUFACTURERS COUNCIL
Messrs. Paul Par6, Chairman
Charles Lombard, President
BENSON & HEDGES TOBACCO CO.
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L.E. Ricard, Pres
IMPERIAL TOBACCO PRODUCTS 'LTD.
David Stewart, President
MACDONALD TOBACCO INC.
R. H. Ilawkes, President
ROTHMANS OF PALL MALL CANADA LTD.
L.C. Laporte
CANADIAN TOBACCO MANUFACTURERS COUNCIL
N.A. Dann
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IMASCO LTD.
N.J. McDonald
PUBLIC INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS LTD.
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ce this.meeting was arranged. at Mr. Par6ls request on
alf..of the Council, the Minister called on Mr. 'Pa r 6to
the discussion.
r4 first of all mentioned that our continuing dialogue
on and other members of the Department in
.connec various' matters such- as ThN. on packages and
s, change in wording of the war tice, etc
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Ily and that these matters were
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.-.as proceed
being, given serious consideration by the Council. .-The main
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However
reason, that Mr. Par6 requested the present meeting
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was to discuss the broader aspects of-the Smoking and Health
situation.
rn this latter connection, Mr. Par6 began by stating that
notwithstanding anti-smoking educational campaigns and
publicity over the past twenty years it is a fact that there arm.
'SO S x million plus Canadians who are-cigarette smokers and
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@are going to continue to smoke. Faced with this fact, it is
-.'t be View of the members of the Council that the possible
ity
'development of mod I'L f i e d products of less biological activ
-acceptable to the consumer is not only the responsibility of
-industry but also of the governmeat and medical authori
the ties.
Based on this view, Mr. Par6 suggested that a research program
should be developed with the involvement of the above three
groups to add to the scientific knowledge necessary to
achieve this objective.. Obviously any modification or change
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which results in developing a Product considered to be less 4
:.O@@rmful (safer) to health' is a matter of medical. opinion and
_ecan therefore only be endorsed- or recommended by medical
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authoriiies.' r6 stated',"the
- prepared to contribute their full share of the 5 s'
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ut they als
such. a program bi 0 n66d help in other areas,'-'that
other capabilities, disciplines, etc..
The Minister was rather favourably impressed with this idea
and sees no problem in the Department of Health supporting
such an approach. and posture. He then went on to s ay that
-it was up to the-industry to develop the program and that
rtment of Health) would be prepared to look at
they (the Depa
what we have in mind. Regarding costs, the Minister 'stated
there are no great amounts of money available from the
government and mentioned that their present Smoking and
Health budget is of the order of $400,00-0. If the funding
of long-term large projects is required, they would have to
take a hard look at the situation. He: made a point 0 f
mentioning that his Deparment is doing research with- the
Department of Agriculture in developing new varieties,
al.practices, etc., aimed-at lower TWde-liveries and
cultur
that at least part of this work, for instance, relative to 0
reconstituted tobacco, is also being done in conjunction with
the industry. In other words, the Department was now doing
some research towards the development of "safer" or improved
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cts in medical terms.
The physiological effects of nicotine and whether. switching
-f6 low-ni otine cigarettes tends- to increase the number f
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smoked and tar intake. were discussed at s
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-1,'r1enzth is a subject. that requires further research.
ted that the subject of Smoking and Health
--'-was not necessarily of top priority as for as he is concerned
and, that he sees no immediate need to proceed with legislation
'in this area. However, he added the "caveat" that if it was
not possible to get voluntary agreement in certain areas then
"'he would be quite prepared to take whatever action was necessary.
The Minister made it quite clear that we can expect con-
tinued pressure regarding such proposals as thee showing of
T&N on packages and advertisements. He was not favourably
'impressed with the idea of the Department making available
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T&N-T istributi n to retail outlets since h
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':'thinks very few outlets would in fact post them up.' e
also stated that no change will be made in the Department's
policy regarding Smoking and Health, which basically is,
"It is better not to smoke". In their view there are good
and valid reasons for the approach the Department has adopted'. 0
in the past, and this will continue.
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meeting terminated on
he Minister's note that the
Im. try and the Department must continuc working together
and meeting periodically to discuss matters of mutual
concern-as they have been doing.. Furthermore, on matters
Of policy he is prepared to make himself available at any
IC Ime.
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